Are good jobs in USA long gone?
05-06-2008, 07:55 AM
#12
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Hey O... I still don't understand. Can an american pilot with an ATP apply and be considered for jobs in Europe? I have no ties to Europe, ie. no dual passport. I'm just a regular american who wants out of here! What do I have to do? Thanks
05-06-2008, 08:21 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: 737 FO/Capt/FO
Posts: 427
Chick,
It's amazing how this question keeps on getting asked in so many different ways.
I'm sure "O" will chime in too.
To work in Europe flying European registered airplanes you need to have a JAA license (most cases). Which means you need to do the FAA to JAA conversion. In addition, you will need a working permit for the country you choose.
First, the conversion. EXPENSIVE and TIME consuming but can be done.
If you are now in the US, check with Naples Flight Center, they can advise you on the conversion process. There may be other places in the US that can help with the conversion but I don't know them. If you are already overseas (i.e. military stationed overseas) check with the Civil Aviation Authority in the country you are in as to the conversion process.
The working permit. Probably the biggest hurdle. You must look at all the carriers and figure out if the carrier will help or not. (this is usually unlikely) Unless you have a relationship with the carrier already. Perhaps through personal contacts...
Perhaps you can get to Europe doing a different kind of job (get the work permit) then jump ship, in hopes of a smoother process with the work permit renewal. My experience is that the work permit has to be renewed each year.
There is always a possibility of flying a N registered airplane that is already here in Europe. Then of course there would not be a conversion requirement.
Also check with contractors. Parc, Brookefield, Rishworth etc...
There is no clear path to make this happen.
O did I basically cover it?
Good luck,
Lifter
It's amazing how this question keeps on getting asked in so many different ways.
I'm sure "O" will chime in too.
To work in Europe flying European registered airplanes you need to have a JAA license (most cases). Which means you need to do the FAA to JAA conversion. In addition, you will need a working permit for the country you choose.
First, the conversion. EXPENSIVE and TIME consuming but can be done.
If you are now in the US, check with Naples Flight Center, they can advise you on the conversion process. There may be other places in the US that can help with the conversion but I don't know them. If you are already overseas (i.e. military stationed overseas) check with the Civil Aviation Authority in the country you are in as to the conversion process.
The working permit. Probably the biggest hurdle. You must look at all the carriers and figure out if the carrier will help or not. (this is usually unlikely) Unless you have a relationship with the carrier already. Perhaps through personal contacts...
Perhaps you can get to Europe doing a different kind of job (get the work permit) then jump ship, in hopes of a smoother process with the work permit renewal. My experience is that the work permit has to be renewed each year.
There is always a possibility of flying a N registered airplane that is already here in Europe. Then of course there would not be a conversion requirement.
Also check with contractors. Parc, Brookefield, Rishworth etc...
There is no clear path to make this happen.
O did I basically cover it?
Good luck,
Lifter
05-06-2008, 11:31 AM
#15
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: 737 FO/Capt/FO
Posts: 427
I wouldn't say doomed. I just think you need to work out a clever plan and be prepared for some major work.
It is possible, just depends on how bad you want it..and how much you time and money you can afford to spend.
Lifter
It is possible, just depends on how bad you want it..and how much you time and money you can afford to spend.
Lifter
05-06-2008, 02:11 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 747
Posts: 731
Yo chick and Lifter,
You basically covered it all .. BUT .. just to into a bit more detail ...
Chick what are your times? PIC times?
You might be able to convert your license without doing all 14 atpl exams and flying.
Once we get that info im sure lifter and I could help you more.
Just for your information Ryanair is one of the airlines that will sponsor you!
You basically covered it all .. BUT .. just to into a bit more detail ...
Chick what are your times? PIC times?
You might be able to convert your license without doing all 14 atpl exams and flying.
Once we get that info im sure lifter and I could help you more.
Just for your information Ryanair is one of the airlines that will sponsor you!
05-06-2008, 10:07 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: 737 FO/Capt/FO
Posts: 427
O, Chick,
I have heard of this 2 test requirement but have not personally seen it in practice. I believe this is country/CAA dependent as each has their own requirements. I can only speak for the Czech CAA a few years ago and all 14 test were required by them no matter what your experience was. (We had a 14,000hr Qantas guy in class taking all 14 exams)
I've heard about Ryan Air sponsoring folks but not much info. I would suggest getting on the Flight International webpage www.flightglobal.com then click on jobs. and search for Ryan Air and when/where they have their next pilot call/info day and just go to it and ask questions.
Chick,
As for marrying the Russian chick , not sure how much that would help, She may be smokin' but may not have an EU passport either... Need to find a German, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, or Greek etc...chick
I would still at least call Naples Flight Center to ask about exam process...
What do think O?
Lifter
I have heard of this 2 test requirement but have not personally seen it in practice. I believe this is country/CAA dependent as each has their own requirements. I can only speak for the Czech CAA a few years ago and all 14 test were required by them no matter what your experience was. (We had a 14,000hr Qantas guy in class taking all 14 exams)
I've heard about Ryan Air sponsoring folks but not much info. I would suggest getting on the Flight International webpage www.flightglobal.com then click on jobs. and search for Ryan Air and when/where they have their next pilot call/info day and just go to it and ask questions.
Chick,
As for marrying the Russian chick , not sure how much that would help, She may be smokin' but may not have an EU passport either... Need to find a German, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, or Greek etc...chick
I would still at least call Naples Flight Center to ask about exam process...
What do think O?
Lifter
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