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Old 05-01-2007, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Sheffield
In light of the above posts, I'll add my two cents......

I am a new member to APC but I have been reading a number of your posts for over a month. It's a good place to get a smile. I like the positive thread so I thought I would make my move and ask some daunting questions I'm dealing with. I am a private pilot with an instrument rating (piston single). I am married with a kid on the way and about to go through ATPs airline pilot program. My wife and I am prepared to make only $18k a year and to fight through the airline business cycles. If anyone feels nice, please offer a guy some advise following your footsteps....
1) Truly, how often will I be gone? I live in Fayetteville, NC. Is it realistic to think I can commute to wherever and not move to a hub city? I am close to Raleigh, Charlotte and relatively close to Atlanta. Chitaqua and ASA serve Fayetteville. ASA for Delta 4 times a day to Atlanta and Chitaqua for US Airways 5 times a day to Charlotte. Is it realistic to hope for a job with one of them?
2) How does the reserve thing work? Are you stuck in the hub city(which from what I have read is the Base??) or will I have, say, a 48 hour notice to be somewhere.
3) I won't be done training and teaching with ATP for about 6 months. Do you think the regionals will still be sucking up pilots?
4) It seems that most of you fly between 80-100 hours a month. Is that about right?

Thanks to anyone willing to help. Hope the best to you all.
Move to Charlotte...
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Old 05-01-2007, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Sheffield
1) Truly, how often will I be gone? I live in Fayetteville, NC. Is it realistic to think I can commute to wherever and not move to a hub city? I am close to Raleigh, Charlotte and relatively close to Atlanta. Chitaqua and ASA serve Fayetteville. ASA for Delta 4 times a day to Atlanta and Chitaqua for US Airways 5 times a day to Charlotte. Is it realistic to hope for a job with one of them?
Likely, you'll be away from your base 275-350 (or more) hours per month. If you are a commuter as I am, add about 80 or so hours a month getting to and from work. I'm home about 10 full days a month. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I work for SkyWest, generally regarded as one of the better regionals.

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2) How does the reserve thing work? Are you stuck in the hub city(which from what I have read is the Base??) or will I have, say, a 48 hour notice to be somewhere.
Generally, regionals have no "long-call" option which is the 24-48 hour notice you're referring to. Most have short-call which means you have anywhere from 60-120 minutes to report for an assignment that depends on the airline and the city in which you're based. This means, if you commute, you'll be looking at crashpad or hotel expenses. SkyWest reserve is 5 12-hour shifts a week. You're paid 3.75 hours if you're not assigned any flying for the day.

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3) I won't be done training and teaching with ATP for about 6 months. Do you think the regionals will still be sucking up pilots?
Nobody can tell for sure, but it sure appears that way.

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4) It seems that most of you fly between 80-100 hours a month. Is that about right?
I'd say we credit (get paid for) about that per month. Flying hours may be less than that, though...deadhead, displacement, Daily pay guarantees, etc.
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Old 05-01-2007, 01:09 PM
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Thanks Engine Out. I appreciate you're willingness to help.
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Old 05-02-2007, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Sheffield
In light of the above posts, I'll add my two cents......

I am a new member to APC but I have been reading a number of your posts for over a month. It's a good place to get a smile. I like the positive thread so I thought I would make my move and ask some daunting questions I'm dealing with. I am a private pilot with an instrument rating (piston single). I am married with a kid on the way and about to go through ATPs airline pilot program. My wife and I am prepared to make only $18k a year and to fight through the airline business cycles. If anyone feels nice, please offer a guy some advise following your footsteps....
1) Truly, how often will I be gone? I live in Fayetteville, NC. Is it realistic to think I can commute to wherever and not move to a hub city? I am close to Raleigh, Charlotte and relatively close to Atlanta. Chitaqua and ASA serve Fayetteville. ASA for Delta 4 times a day to Atlanta and Chitaqua for US Airways 5 times a day to Charlotte. Is it realistic to hope for a job with one of them?
2) How does the reserve thing work? Are you stuck in the hub city(which from what I have read is the Base??) or will I have, say, a 48 hour notice to be somewhere.
3) I won't be done training and teaching with ATP for about 6 months. Do you think the regionals will still be sucking up pilots?
4) It seems that most of you fly between 80-100 hours a month. Is that about right?

Thanks to anyone willing to help. Hope the best to you all.
1) Key to commuting is having multiple daily NONSTOP flights, with several on your own (or codeshare) airline. Commuting as a jumpseater on another airline is tough because you are the lowest priority. So a lot of this depends on which airline you work for, in addition to which city you live in. Multiple-leg commuting is a recipe for family or career implosion, you get to pick which one...

2) Majors usually have long-call reserve, where you stay home and have 24 hours to get to work. Short call is 1.5 - 2 hours usually. Regionals almost never have long call, so you would have to sit reserve in your domicile. Usually this is 5-6 days on, 2-3 days off.

3) Yes, unless there is some industry catastrophe (I was in exactly your shoes when I turned on the CNN one Tuesday morning is 2001). Don't get in a hurry and take a job at gojets or mesa...you'll wish you hadn't.

4) 75-95 is more realistic. But if you fly more than 84 hours every single month, you will hit 1000 prior to DEC 31, and take the holidays off (usually with pay). This is called "timing-out" and some folks try really hard to do this. Be aware that due to work rules, you might (hopefully) get paid more than you fly. What you get paid is called "credit time", what you fly is "block time". Block cannot exceed 100/month, but credit often can. I've had 120+ on reserve due to being deadheaded all over the country.

Note: Turboprops often are limited to 120/month. 1200/year so basically they tend to work more.

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Old 05-02-2007, 07:07 AM
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Thanks Rick. I enjoy reading your posts...especially your side of the debate with Deadstick in another forum concerning national defense. It seems that the best bet for my family is either move to wherever I'm based and to not commute or get my ratings/licenses and just CFI on the side. It really is amazing the naysayers in these forums. All the threads I have read really has me thinking twice.

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Old 05-02-2007, 04:08 PM
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Its amazing that people put this much effort into just getting a regional airline job...
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Old 05-02-2007, 05:28 PM
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But if you fly more than 84 hours every single month, you will hit 1000 prior to DEC 31, and take the holidays off (usually with pay). This is called "timing-out" and some folks try really hard to do this.
Does this mean you can only fly 1000 hours every calendar year?
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Old 05-02-2007, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wannabepilot
Does this mean you can only fly 1000 hours every calendar year?
That's correct.
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Old 05-02-2007, 08:44 PM
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That's correct.
and that is because...
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