Stolen logbook and closed school
#1
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Stolen logbook and closed school
Hello all,
I started my training at MAPD in 2009 in FMN. The school closed in 12/09 and i was allowed to finish my PVT Certificate. After the closure i moved back to Las Vegas, NV and started working to pay off my loan. I was left with a bad taste in my mouth and considered throwing the profession away. 2 years later my friend convinced me to pick it back up, so i went to a local FBO and started taking lessons again. Well with my luck after one of those lessons i put my flight bag in my truck and then went back in to b.s. with the instructors. when i came back out my door cracked and the bag gone. Everything was in there Logbook,headset, ect. So that also set me back in trying to get in the industry. I currently work at a major airline as a ramp agent, i want to get back and fly again. My dream is to fly with a major airline.
So what should i do at this point? Im kinda lost in this whole thing.
I was considering ATP flight school to just get everything done and over with. Or should i stay at the local school?
any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks
Chris
79.3 Total Hours
12.0 Pilot-In-Command
71.3 Complex
18.0 Cross-Country
6.3 Night
2.3 Turbine & High Altitude
2.3 Multi-Engine
I started my training at MAPD in 2009 in FMN. The school closed in 12/09 and i was allowed to finish my PVT Certificate. After the closure i moved back to Las Vegas, NV and started working to pay off my loan. I was left with a bad taste in my mouth and considered throwing the profession away. 2 years later my friend convinced me to pick it back up, so i went to a local FBO and started taking lessons again. Well with my luck after one of those lessons i put my flight bag in my truck and then went back in to b.s. with the instructors. when i came back out my door cracked and the bag gone. Everything was in there Logbook,headset, ect. So that also set me back in trying to get in the industry. I currently work at a major airline as a ramp agent, i want to get back and fly again. My dream is to fly with a major airline.
So what should i do at this point? Im kinda lost in this whole thing.
I was considering ATP flight school to just get everything done and over with. Or should i stay at the local school?
any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks
Chris
79.3 Total Hours
12.0 Pilot-In-Command
71.3 Complex
18.0 Cross-Country
6.3 Night
2.3 Turbine & High Altitude
2.3 Multi-Engine
#2
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Stolen logbook and closed school
Financially speaking, it doesn't make sense. You probably make a decent paycheck on the ramp at a major. You need to save for retirement when you are young. Those are the most important years of saving. Do you have a bachelors degree? If you are serious about doing this then just get it done as fast as you can. A place like ATP would do it fast. Get your CFI and 1500 hours as fast as you can, get a job at a regional, and then wait your turn for a major. Without a degree you're more likely to end up at JetBlue or Spirit.
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Financially speaking, it doesn't make sense. You probably make a decent paycheck on the ramp at a major. You need to save for retirement when you are young. Those are the most important years of saving. Do you have a bachelors degree? If you are serious about doing this then just get it done as fast as you can. A place like ATP would do it fast. Get your CFI and 1500 hours as fast as you can, get a job at a regional, and then wait your turn for a major. Without a degree you're more likely to end up at JetBlue or Spirit.
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I currently have a AA not a Bachelors degree. and yeah i do make good money here, but i hate the manual labor part. I see some of the old vets here who can barley bend or walk because their body is so beat up. I dont want to end up like that ha
And i love to fly, if i could i would fly everyday. my dream was a major airline but im starting to think its way to expensive and ill never be able to repay the loan in 16$ an hour or less.
And i love to fly, if i could i would fly everyday. my dream was a major airline but im starting to think its way to expensive and ill never be able to repay the loan in 16$ an hour or less.
#6
First, welcome to APC.
The stolen logbook episode will hopefully teach you that a pilot logbook is worth more than gold to a pilot, and leaving it anywhere except on your person or within ten feet is simply nuts. I occasionally scan my logbook and upload it to the internet cloud for backup. I also started maintaining an electronic version about a year ago when the numbers got high enough to make paper logs difficult. We provide some sample templates for logbooks (or we used to anyway), see the cover pages of our ever-changing website:
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I had a student who did the same thing (he lost his student logbook), so I had him reconstruct every flight or lesson best he could using receipts, email trails, FBO records, daily planners, instructor logs, whatever he could. If detectives can do this sort of thing you can too. You should attempt to do this soon, and do the best you can. Being a pilot means being a competent professional in every possible way, missing and/or sloppy logs is a huge flag to employers along the lines of "don't hire this guy, he's not serious enough". Most of us have some slop in our logs that we regret having, it is hard to avoid some slop using paper and pen, but we must try and fix it down to the smallest tenth and have everything readable, clear, correct, and preferably tabbed. Like they say, "Fat, dumb, and [crappy logbooks] is no way to go through life".
The stolen logbook episode will hopefully teach you that a pilot logbook is worth more than gold to a pilot, and leaving it anywhere except on your person or within ten feet is simply nuts. I occasionally scan my logbook and upload it to the internet cloud for backup. I also started maintaining an electronic version about a year ago when the numbers got high enough to make paper logs difficult. We provide some sample templates for logbooks (or we used to anyway), see the cover pages of our ever-changing website:
APC free downloads
I had a student who did the same thing (he lost his student logbook), so I had him reconstruct every flight or lesson best he could using receipts, email trails, FBO records, daily planners, instructor logs, whatever he could. If detectives can do this sort of thing you can too. You should attempt to do this soon, and do the best you can. Being a pilot means being a competent professional in every possible way, missing and/or sloppy logs is a huge flag to employers along the lines of "don't hire this guy, he's not serious enough". Most of us have some slop in our logs that we regret having, it is hard to avoid some slop using paper and pen, but we must try and fix it down to the smallest tenth and have everything readable, clear, correct, and preferably tabbed. Like they say, "Fat, dumb, and [crappy logbooks] is no way to go through life".
#9
And if you don't have a copy of your 8710, you should be able to get it from the FAA. Since that is all of your MAPD flying, then you should be covered. If all of the Complex time is from the Bonanza, it looks like you might only be out 8 hours. I'm guessing those hours are from your current school...easy enough to reconstruct.
Alternately, if you had only a handfull of instructors at MAPD, you may be able to get ahold of them to help you reconstruct your logbook. In the end, as mexipilot84 said, your 8710 should be all you need.
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Financially speaking, it doesn't make sense. You probably make a decent paycheck on the ramp at a major. You need to save for retirement when you are young. Those are the most important years of saving. Do you have a bachelors degree? If you are serious about doing this then just get it done as fast as you can. A place like ATP would do it fast. Get your CFI and 1500 hours as fast as you can, get a job at a regional, and then wait your turn for a major. Without a degree you're more likely to end up at JetBlue or Spirit.