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sealandair 07-16-2013 07:50 AM

ATP-R and "1000 hour" exception?
 
Hi all. Hopefully this question is posted in the right category. I was hoping someone could clarify for me some of the options for getting the R-ATP with less than 1500 TT. I am referring to the latest press release (July 10) issued by the FAA, and you can find it here:

http://www.clearedtodream.org/LinkCl...=1296&mid=3668

Option #2: Graduates holding a Bachelor’s degree with an aviation major with 1,000 hours total time as a pilot;

So in my case, I have the 4-year aviation degree, but it was done via distance education and I never set foot in my school's actual flight department. I transferred in all the required ground and flight requirements (CPL, Inst, ATPw) and 1100 hrs of flight time, ALL of which I earned long ago (10 years or more), with the exception of the ATPw that I took in 2011. Does this satisfy the FAA's requirement, or does it not? A call to my FSDO, and of course...they don't know.

sandrich 07-16-2013 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by sealandair (Post 1445893)
Hi all. Hopefully this question is posted in the right category. I was hoping someone could clarify for me some of the options for getting the R-ATP with less than 1500 TT. I am referring to the latest press release (July 10) issued by the FAA, and you can find it here:

http://www.clearedtodream.org/LinkCl...=1296&mid=3668

Option #2: Graduates holding a Bachelor’s degree with an aviation major with 1,000 hours total time as a pilot;

So in my case, I have the 4-year aviation degree, but it was done via distance education and I never set foot in my school's actual flight department. I transferred in all the required ground and flight requirements (CPL, Inst, ATPw) and 1100 hrs of flight time, ALL of which I earned long ago (10 years or more), with the exception of the ATPw that I took in 2011. Does this satisfy the FAA's requirement, or does it not? A call to my FSDO, and of course...they don't know.

Not sure if the answer to this question is in your post, but the FAA wants Commercial AND Instrument done while attending such a university, with said university's flight school/program. If you went to a random flight school, got the certs, but did distance online learning through the university to get your degree, I don't think it counts. If your training was part of the degree's curriculum, I believe you are exempt. Don't take my word for it though, this is all still new.

yimke 07-16-2013 08:57 AM

Were your commercial and instrument done at a 141 school?

IDIOTPILOT 07-16-2013 10:33 AM

The 4-year school and degree program will need to be approved by the FAA. It seems from a Flight Standards release that they intend on only going back to graduates within 5 years to count.

Hawker445 07-16-2013 11:01 AM

So lets say i am at a university right now that has an aviation program and i got instrument and commerical with that program. Then i randomly change my mind and transfer to a regular school and get the aviation degree through lets say ERAUs onlike program. Would i be exempt if i still held an aviation degree even though it may be online?

Twin Wasp 07-16-2013 11:35 AM

That's covered in AC 61-139.

sealandair 07-16-2013 12:51 PM

In my case, the CPL, Inst, and ATPw were all REQUIRED in the degree curriculum to graduate... and I recently graduated. You didn't have to get them through the school's flight program, but you had to get them at least from a properly certificated training school...they didn't care if it was 141 or 61. I simply faxed them copies of my certificates and my CATS scored ATPw, and I was good to go. My ATPw was done recently, but the Comm and Inst training are the things I'm not sure about...as they were done 10 years ago at an FBO.

sealandair 07-16-2013 01:00 PM

Thank you Twin Wasp for the heads up on AC 61-139. Hope it elaborates more than the online document I quoted from.

Twin Wasp 07-16-2013 01:58 PM

Yes, it does. There's a section on transferring students.

Voski 07-16-2013 02:43 PM

What if one is a graduate of a military flight school for rotary-wing aircraft but is dual rated? Can the 750 hour requirement count toward a fixed-wing ATP? I could not find language in the new rule that dictate that the graduate had to be from a fixed-wing military flight school program.


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