Dual given on PA32
06-06-2011, 11:04 AM
#11
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Another consideration - since this is a multi-engine airplane, the CFI must have a least 5 hours PIC time in make and model under 61.195(f). While it's not necessary to have the endorsement to log those 5 hours, those 5 hours should certainly be enough to get it.
That's the legality.
As others mentioned, safety is also a consideration, I'm not sure that it's such a good idea to be teaching in a 260 or 300 HP per engine twin when you haven't even been signed off to fly a simple 182. Certainly, in case of some kind of mishap, it would be interesting to hear the answer to the FAA's questions on that subject.
That's the legality.
As others mentioned, safety is also a consideration, I'm not sure that it's such a good idea to be teaching in a 260 or 300 HP per engine twin when you haven't even been signed off to fly a simple 182. Certainly, in case of some kind of mishap, it would be interesting to hear the answer to the FAA's questions on that subject.
06-06-2011, 11:26 AM
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Start with this question: Does the owner (student) have a high performance sign off AND is he current?
Yes? then get another FI to give you a sign off in your book (after a check flight of course) so if/when you fly into IMC you can legally log PIC.
No? then you'll need at least 5 hours PIC in that high performance aircraft AND have a sign off BEFORE you can instruct in it. Even though you are only giving Instrument instruction, you can't log PIC in an aircraft that you aren't rated/endorsed to fly, and if the student isn't current, then that's exactly what you'll need to log.
Yes? then get another FI to give you a sign off in your book (after a check flight of course) so if/when you fly into IMC you can legally log PIC.
No? then you'll need at least 5 hours PIC in that high performance aircraft AND have a sign off BEFORE you can instruct in it. Even though you are only giving Instrument instruction, you can't log PIC in an aircraft that you aren't rated/endorsed to fly, and if the student isn't current, then that's exactly what you'll need to log.
06-06-2011, 04:48 PM
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Thanks for everyones opinion on the subject. It seems that for the most part to eliminate any doubt the best course of action would be to get the high performance endorsement to eliminate the gray areas. Without the high performance endorsement their seems to be a lot of room for personal interpretation of the regulations.
06-06-2011, 11:04 PM
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High performance and complex. The PA-32 could also be the Lance or Saratoga, both retractable (or potentially retractable in the case of the Saratoga).
I've owned a Lance for almost three years, great stable platform for instrument flying.
I've owned a Lance for almost three years, great stable platform for instrument flying.
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