Holding pattern confusion
#11
Once I taught my brain how to look at everything in a birds eye view flying holds, approaches, PT's etc. etc. got a lot easier. OP draw out holds on the ground and walk from different angles into the hold to practice the various ways to enter. Heck even bring an egg timer with you and time yourself. All the while thinking you are a bird and looking down on the hold.
#12
If you have access to a sim use that with a variety of xwind scenarios and then review the ground tracks. It will help build confidence and understanding at a lesser cost.
I'll usually have my students doing a non-gyro single nav holding patterns with 25 kt crosswinds in it. No only do you have to think headings but mag compass errors associated with the desired heading.
I'll usually have my students doing a non-gyro single nav holding patterns with 25 kt crosswinds in it. No only do you have to think headings but mag compass errors associated with the desired heading.
#13
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http:// www . aviationchatter . com / flight - training - aids / navsim /
The second link wouldn't post right.....must be a competing website? Just take out the spaces. Now get off APC and practice.
#14
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
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Double (not triple) is the standard practice. I would add that all ths stuff is supposed to make life easy and safe and while total perfection is not required doing this maneuver, it is nice to try and be accurate. Why not? You are likely to do a hold in real life almost never. The only time real holds are done is in poor weather where airplanes are stacked up by ATC waiting to get a chance to shoot approaches to minimums usually, so at that time you would like to be sharp on your skills.
#15
You actually do triple the inbound heading correction on the outbound leg. The inbound leg is one minute, both turns you are using standard rate; 1 minute each, and the outbound leg is 1 minute. Say the correction on inbound leg is 5 degrees. Since there is no wind correction on the turns, you have to account for 3 minutes of correction on the outbound leg. Hence triple the inbound correction.
I am not sure anyone answered his question as to whether the inbound legs should be one minute. The answer is yes, but you have to start the turn back to outbound when the to-from indicator tells you the fix has been passed, and this may or may not be exactly one minute depending on how well you are timing things. At least in theory you want to fly one minute on the inbound leg. In real life you may have to keep adjusting things so that it gets as close as possible but it sounds like your CFII guessed a bit on the short side when he told you to fly only 1:10 on the outbound leg, and then you ran out of time on the inbound leg.
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