Logging Time
09-22-2010, 02:00 PM
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Logging Time
When I started flying, I entered time in my log book according to the HOBBS meter.
I've recently gotten a GPS logger, which shows my time in the air much more accurately, and I'm realizing that HOBBS time is about 30% greater than actual time in the air. (for local flights and short cross country flights).
Does anyone have advice on how best to log time? HOBBS, as it tends to account for taxi and run-up time (which is still PIC-time), or GPS-supported time-in-the-air?
I've recently gotten a GPS logger, which shows my time in the air much more accurately, and I'm realizing that HOBBS time is about 30% greater than actual time in the air. (for local flights and short cross country flights).
Does anyone have advice on how best to log time? HOBBS, as it tends to account for taxi and run-up time (which is still PIC-time), or GPS-supported time-in-the-air?
09-22-2010, 02:34 PM
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When I started flying, I entered time in my log book according to the HOBBS meter.
I've recently gotten a GPS logger, which shows my time in the air much more accurately, and I'm realizing that HOBBS time is about 30% greater than actual time in the air. (for local flights and short cross country flights).
Does anyone have advice on how best to log time? HOBBS, as it tends to account for taxi and run-up time (which is still PIC-time), or GPS-supported time-in-the-air?
I've recently gotten a GPS logger, which shows my time in the air much more accurately, and I'm realizing that HOBBS time is about 30% greater than actual time in the air. (for local flights and short cross country flights).
Does anyone have advice on how best to log time? HOBBS, as it tends to account for taxi and run-up time (which is still PIC-time), or GPS-supported time-in-the-air?
09-22-2010, 03:08 PM
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When I started flying, I entered time in my log book according to the HOBBS meter.
I've recently gotten a GPS logger, which shows my time in the air much more accurately, and I'm realizing that HOBBS time is about 30% greater than actual time in the air. (for local flights and short cross country flights).
Does anyone have advice on how best to log time? HOBBS, as it tends to account for taxi and run-up time (which is still PIC-time), or GPS-supported time-in-the-air?
I've recently gotten a GPS logger, which shows my time in the air much more accurately, and I'm realizing that HOBBS time is about 30% greater than actual time in the air. (for local flights and short cross country flights).
Does anyone have advice on how best to log time? HOBBS, as it tends to account for taxi and run-up time (which is still PIC-time), or GPS-supported time-in-the-air?
Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing;
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing;
09-23-2010, 04:19 AM
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Or maybe not. Let's see, the minimum requirements for a VFR Part 135 PIC is 500 hours. The real requirements for a real job may be more, but let's stick with the 500 hours.
You figured about a 30% difference. The difference will be smaller the longer the flight but let's go with your 30%. So, using your handy dandy GPS takeoff to touchdown flight time, you'll need to pay for 150 more hours of flight time to meet the minimums.
Your dime. What's your answer to your question?
09-23-2010, 04:50 AM
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I wish the military operated under the same premise 
Since a majority of my flights were rather short - that 30% would have made quite the difference!
In my current job they even use the GPS landing/takeoff times to pay me - and the GPS doesn't even begin to register time until 30 kts I think it is
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Since a majority of my flights were rather short - that 30% would have made quite the difference!
In my current job they even use the GPS landing/takeoff times to pay me - and the GPS doesn't even begin to register time until 30 kts I think it is
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09-23-2010, 04:57 AM
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09-23-2010, 05:08 AM
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2StgTurbine - basically because they operate like the military - takeoff to landing, except don't add the extra 5 minutes that the military allows (which I never did anyways). I guess when you have to pay money for every 6 minutes then every minute counts.
To be fair - the company wouldn't question if you used times when you took the runway and pulled off the runway, but most pilots seem to just read off the GPS and use the takoff time and the total flighttime counter to log. I'm more making fun of the situation than really trying to make an issue out of it.
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09-23-2010, 05:51 AM
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If they weren't such stinkers on the brakes for this aircraft I would
2StgTurbine - basically because they operate like the military - takeoff to landing, except don't add the extra 5 minutes that the military allows (which I never did anyways). I guess when you have to pay money for every 6 minutes then every minute counts.
To be fair - the company wouldn't question if you used times when you took the runway and pulled off the runway, but most pilots seem to just read off the GPS and use the takoff time and the total flighttime counter to log. I'm more making fun of the situation than really trying to make an issue out of it.
USMCFLYR
2StgTurbine - basically because they operate like the military - takeoff to landing, except don't add the extra 5 minutes that the military allows (which I never did anyways). I guess when you have to pay money for every 6 minutes then every minute counts.
To be fair - the company wouldn't question if you used times when you took the runway and pulled off the runway, but most pilots seem to just read off the GPS and use the takoff time and the total flighttime counter to log. I'm more making fun of the situation than really trying to make an issue out of it.
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