Engine failure scenario
03-17-2010, 09:59 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
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Posts: 350
Yeah, no doubt. I would turn the fuel valve back on, the mixture full rich, discontinue and let the FSDO know about unsafe practices. The ONLY time a fuel valve in a 150 should be touched is in an actual emergency. I sure would hate to have it come off in my hand (I have had to tighten up my fair share of 150/152 fuel valves on a pre-flight).
03-17-2010, 11:42 AM
#13
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Posts: 54
When I was an instructor, I developed my own procedure....now, I did take things from other people in this procedure....so it is not all mine.
ABC - Fuel, Fire, Air
Memory item:
A - Airspeed
B - Best Field
C - Checklist
- Fuel (3)
1 Fuel Selector
2 Mixture
3 Fuel Pump
- Fire (1)
1 Magnetos
- Air (1)
1 Carb Heat
After this...if there is time...pull out the checklist....
If you look in any POH...go to the engine failure/running rough procedure, you will see everything in my checklist. Aside from a few things (cowl flaps, primer) everything is there. Why? because you need Fuel, Fire, and Air to have combustion. Take away any one of those things, and an engine won't run! This works in every piston aircraft you will ever fly. If you don't believe me....just find a POH....any POH...and see what is written in the emergency section.
The same works for a turbine engine...just a littel different.
From here, you can build scenerios. Engine failure:
- on takeoff
- low...on upwind
- any point in the pattern
- away from the pattern over different terrain
- Day vs. night
Let them work through things.....is there time to pull out the checklist? Is there time to even run through a flow? Should we just secure the aircraft?
Once the student has had a chance to run through the scenerio....never let them forget to follow through on the emergency....Contact ATC....Squwak 7700....shut down the aircraft (a flow work best here...start at the fuel selector...work up to the throttle quadrant...and then left to the mags/master....shutting down everything that isn't needed, like master for the radios, if still talking to ATC)
And finally...don't forget to crack the doors for possible impact/crumpling.
I have found that once or twice in the airplane using this procedure...and the student becomes very comfortable in this "emergency situation". They will always take the procedure with them to different airplanes. Using this procedure, I have heard from a few different DE's...that they were impressed with the student during this manuever.
Try it!
And I agree...the DE should be reprimanded for shutting down a perfectly good engine in a single engine aircraft...thereby causing a Real Emergency....No Engines is a REAL EMERGENCY as defined by the FAA!
ABC - Fuel, Fire, Air
Memory item:
A - Airspeed
B - Best Field
C - Checklist
- Fuel (3)
1 Fuel Selector
2 Mixture
3 Fuel Pump
- Fire (1)
1 Magnetos
- Air (1)
1 Carb Heat
After this...if there is time...pull out the checklist....
If you look in any POH...go to the engine failure/running rough procedure, you will see everything in my checklist. Aside from a few things (cowl flaps, primer) everything is there. Why? because you need Fuel, Fire, and Air to have combustion. Take away any one of those things, and an engine won't run! This works in every piston aircraft you will ever fly. If you don't believe me....just find a POH....any POH...and see what is written in the emergency section.
The same works for a turbine engine...just a littel different.
From here, you can build scenerios. Engine failure:
- on takeoff
- low...on upwind
- any point in the pattern
- away from the pattern over different terrain
- Day vs. night
Let them work through things.....is there time to pull out the checklist? Is there time to even run through a flow? Should we just secure the aircraft?
Once the student has had a chance to run through the scenerio....never let them forget to follow through on the emergency....Contact ATC....Squwak 7700....shut down the aircraft (a flow work best here...start at the fuel selector...work up to the throttle quadrant...and then left to the mags/master....shutting down everything that isn't needed, like master for the radios, if still talking to ATC)
And finally...don't forget to crack the doors for possible impact/crumpling.
I have found that once or twice in the airplane using this procedure...and the student becomes very comfortable in this "emergency situation". They will always take the procedure with them to different airplanes. Using this procedure, I have heard from a few different DE's...that they were impressed with the student during this manuever.
Try it!
And I agree...the DE should be reprimanded for shutting down a perfectly good engine in a single engine aircraft...thereby causing a Real Emergency....No Engines is a REAL EMERGENCY as defined by the FAA!
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