Solo endorsements II
12-01-2009, 05:44 AM
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Solo endorsements II
This is similar to my other question but different in regards to the definition of "authorized instructor" as described below.
I have confusion in part 61.87p(1)v when the regs talk about a 90 day solo endorsement remaining current for solo flight privelages provided its 'updated' by an authorized isntructor.
So ....the original flight instructor who flew with the student is out of town and the innital 90 day lapses. Do i read it correctly that another instructor can 'update' by, i assume, endorsing another 90 day or signing below the orignal 90 day endorsement made by the original instructor? And does the person doing the updating have to actually fly with the student prior to "updating" Some people say no they dont have to fly with them.
Then my next question would be...
if the student than flys after the second insructor 'updated' the orignal 90 day endorsement, who "authorized" the solo flight. I would have to say the person doing the updating......without it the student couldnt solo.
But then I read 61.87 p (1) 1-v that says no instructor can authorize a solo flight unless that instructor has provided training in the make and model aircraft and found him proficient on the maneuvers and procedures....
not to mention 61-65E part 12(c)2 says "these endorsments must be given by an authorized flight instructor who has flown with the student per sec 61.87p"
any help, now i am really confused :0) Ha
I have confusion in part 61.87p(1)v when the regs talk about a 90 day solo endorsement remaining current for solo flight privelages provided its 'updated' by an authorized isntructor.
So ....the original flight instructor who flew with the student is out of town and the innital 90 day lapses. Do i read it correctly that another instructor can 'update' by, i assume, endorsing another 90 day or signing below the orignal 90 day endorsement made by the original instructor? And does the person doing the updating have to actually fly with the student prior to "updating" Some people say no they dont have to fly with them.
Then my next question would be...
if the student than flys after the second insructor 'updated' the orignal 90 day endorsement, who "authorized" the solo flight. I would have to say the person doing the updating......without it the student couldnt solo.
But then I read 61.87 p (1) 1-v that says no instructor can authorize a solo flight unless that instructor has provided training in the make and model aircraft and found him proficient on the maneuvers and procedures....
not to mention 61-65E part 12(c)2 says "these endorsments must be given by an authorized flight instructor who has flown with the student per sec 61.87p"
any help, now i am really confused :0) Ha
Last edited by sellener; 12-01-2009 at 06:01 AM.
12-01-2009, 06:57 AM
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See my response to your other post.
I believe the student's regular instructor can update him without having flown with him recently, as lomg as he has flown with him in the past. I don't think a brand-new (to the student) instructor should or could legally do that.
The FARs are generally poorly written, but because they are administrative law (not criminal or civil law) the FAA can get away with a lot of interpretation that would get them laughed out of court in a real justice system. You can't always take the regs at face value, you have to look at AC's, FAA Legal Interpretations, and common practice. Taken all together, that info gives you a good idea of where you stand.
Bottom line, go fly with the student.
I believe the student's regular instructor can update him without having flown with him recently, as lomg as he has flown with him in the past. I don't think a brand-new (to the student) instructor should or could legally do that.
The FARs are generally poorly written, but because they are administrative law (not criminal or civil law) the FAA can get away with a lot of interpretation that would get them laughed out of court in a real justice system. You can't always take the regs at face value, you have to look at AC's, FAA Legal Interpretations, and common practice. Taken all together, that info gives you a good idea of where you stand.
Bottom line, go fly with the student.
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