OldManReverend

First off, I'm just trying to blow off some steam, so just let me rant.

I am so furious with the Gulfstream Training Academy! I am not at all one of their prospective losers, but here's the deal.....

I "ran into" one of their head guys. And for unmentioned reasons he wants to talk with me. He knows I'm currently instructing full-time, but goes on with why Gulfstream is a good choice. Starts rambling on and on about how instructing isn't for everybody and they are simply just another "option".

Now he said "instructing isn't for everybody" but in all honesty if you cant explain a maneuver to somebody or if you can't explain an instrument approach procedure, or give tips on landings, which is all instructing is really. Sure you can argue that instructing takes a little more than just that. but if it's THAT hard for you... stay out of an airplane for your sake, and my family's sake!

And half of my retarded students are trying to go to Gulfstream. I am blue in the face trying to explain to them how they are screwing our industry in the long run. Undercutting pilot's and paying for a job. Don't try to tell me you are paying for an SIC type and then get "compensated" for your work. YOU ARE PAYING FOR A JOB!!! PEOPLE ARE GETTING FURLOUGHED BECAUSE OF YOU....

USMCFLYR

In my experience - I've met quite a few good to great pilots you aren't good instructors. It isn't their flying skills, it is their attitude or even their ability to take some concept and explain it in a way that someone can understand - and one way doesn't work for everybody.

When I was starting out I didn't want to instruct - in the civilian world or the military world. I felt that instructors ought to have experience of some sort before they tried to tell you how to apply that knowledge you are gaining to real world situations of course I like sea stories to go along with the concepts.

Now I love instructing and passing along the information that I have garnered over the years. Hopefully I'll be able to pass along something of use that you might not find in the books.

USMCFLYR

TPROP4ever

Just curious how you ended up talking to a GTA manager, and the circumstances surrounding it, you were kind of vague about that?...

The following is going to sound harsh, not aimed at slamming you, but a simple observation, I hope youll take a minute to objectively look at the post you made:

If you truely do have a derogatory opinion toward a student that intends to go to GTA, you have a duty and owe it to yourself (and your student) to release them to another instructor that is interested in doing the job free of personal issues. You have a right to discuss your opinion with your student, but it ultimately is the students decision. He is paying you for a service, (one that does not include your personal issues), but rather to train him to be a safe competent pilot. It does "appear" that this issue so angers you, you might not be able to remain objective, and if that is true then you are the one doing the industry a diservice. I think it is food for thought....JMO

Senior Skipper

I tend to agree that not everybody can teach. There's nothing worse than a CFI who can't teach, because he just sits there and milks students.

I FIRMLY agree that Gulfstream "students" are the filth left behind by the scum of the industry. Keep discouraging your students. I met a Gulfstream guy who said he was "furloughed". I wondered if that meant he got his money back. I empathize with folks who are on furlough. The gulfstream guys got what they deserve though.

IC ALL

The Gulfstream pay to be an airline pilot program is an embarrassment to the profession. I hope it goes the way of MAPD. I think the folks that sign up for Gulfstream just don't know any better. The program brings down the profession because it encourages people to work for less than nothing as a way to bypass the established system of building time and experience in the traditional manner. I hope the new regs put a stop to low timers paying to fly as Gulfstream 121 F/O's. It's a scam that has gone on way too long.

SkiBum112

I was never an instructor, never even wanted to be. It wasn't that I couldn't, I just felt that there are guys that would be good at it, and there are guys like me. I never did the gulfstream thing, and if that's your major beef than you need to specify that instead of ranting that you would never let your family get on my airplane, or that I shouldn't be flying for that matter. But I think to generalize a group saying that since they weren't flight instructors that they are some how lesser pilots, is just...what did you call it?? Ah...retarded. Just tell your students that the puppy mills are going to be closing down soon and they need to start planning for it, instead of berating them for their decisions.

OldManReverend

No, I said if you CANT.. you're saying you CAN... but didn't.. no further questions you're honor.

OldManReverend

I don't give them any flight instruction that is of lesser quality. I just want my guys/ gals to be safe. However... my bills keep coming, I try to "kindly inform" them of Gulfstream. Tonight was just my steam lettin loose!

TPROP4ever

I was pretty sure that was the case, and I wish you the best. I hope you know my post wasnt to slam but just food for thought. I do hold a different opinion than you on the subject and that is fine, I am glad you are speaking your opinion, but still giving them good instruction, that is the mark of a good CFI.

Senior Skipper

Unless I mis-read, nobody said not being a CFI makes you a lesser pilot. I certainly don't think so. There are a number of ways to prepare yourself for an airline career. The CFI route is but one of them.

IC ALL,

I completely agree with you. I hope the new ATP requirement will put an end to the scar that Gulfstream is.