Make and Model
03-21-2009, 12:46 PM
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Make and Model
This question is regarding logbooks...
How do you guys fill out the make and model in your/students' logbook?
For example.. a Piper Arrow, I can think of like 9 ways to write the make and model.
1. Arrow (Common Name)
2. PA-28R (POH Short-Version)
3. PA-28R-180 or 200 (POH)
4. P28R (ATC/FAA)
Any thoughts?
How do you guys fill out the make and model in your/students' logbook?
For example.. a Piper Arrow, I can think of like 9 ways to write the make and model.
1. Arrow (Common Name)
2. PA-28R (POH Short-Version)
3. PA-28R-180 or 200 (POH)
4. P28R (ATC/FAA)
Any thoughts?
03-21-2009, 12:56 PM
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I write it the way the POH writes it. There are so many types of Pipers and the best way to do those is the exact way they are written on the POH.
For example:
Piper Arrow PA-28R-201
Piper Warrior PA-28-151 or PA-28-161
Piper Seminole PA-44-180
For example:
Piper Arrow PA-28R-201
Piper Warrior PA-28-151 or PA-28-161
Piper Seminole PA-44-180
03-22-2009, 09:02 AM
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If you want to get technical, Cessna is CE and Beech is BE.
A CE-172 is one type, so it is not necessary to tack on the engine designator or model designator (R, S, etc). But you can if you want to, especially if you have some ASEL glass time that you want to keep track of.
A CE-172 is one type, so it is not necessary to tack on the engine designator or model designator (R, S, etc). But you can if you want to, especially if you have some ASEL glass time that you want to keep track of.
03-23-2009, 06:47 AM
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I log all specific pipers because I fly the PA46-350T/350P/310P/500TP, PA32R-301/301T/PA32-301FT, etc... Just to keep it clear on what specific type it actually was. PA32RT-300T is another nice combo! or PA28RT-201T. Yeah Pipers are a Cluster, but there are so many minute variences between types!
03-24-2009, 06:48 PM
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If you want to get technical, Cessna is CE and Beech is BE.
A CE-172 is one type, so it is not necessary to tack on the engine designator or model designator (R, S, etc). But you can if you want to, especially if you have some ASEL glass time that you want to keep track of.
A CE-172 is one type, so it is not necessary to tack on the engine designator or model designator (R, S, etc). But you can if you want to, especially if you have some ASEL glass time that you want to keep track of.
See it's such a hard question. Is an Arrow a PA-28R or a P28R, is a 182RG a C-182RG or a C82R?
03-24-2009, 06:57 PM
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Matt,
Technical according to the TCDS. Also technical according to what a type rating would say if there was one. Citations are CE-500, CE-750, etc.
My actual logbooks don't differ between say, a 172M and a 172SP. My electronic one does for insurance, I had a couple owners who's insurance wanted to differentiate between TAA aircraft.
The PA-28 family is a fun one. For those I wrote the full designation. PA-28-161, PA-28-235, etc.
Technical according to the TCDS. Also technical according to what a type rating would say if there was one. Citations are CE-500, CE-750, etc.
My actual logbooks don't differ between say, a 172M and a 172SP. My electronic one does for insurance, I had a couple owners who's insurance wanted to differentiate between TAA aircraft.
The PA-28 family is a fun one. For those I wrote the full designation. PA-28-161, PA-28-235, etc.
03-24-2009, 07:18 PM
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I'm sorry, but besides the maybe the example of aircraft insurance that pip lists,
who cares?
I've never had an employer look at my logbook and ask, "now how much of this time was in a EMB-145 LR as opposed to ER, and can you differentiate between a 172M and SP for us?"
I guess the only difference i'd log is if its an RG, but even then, thats why you have a "complex" column in your logbook.
Its your logbook, do what you want with it.
who cares?
I've never had an employer look at my logbook and ask, "now how much of this time was in a EMB-145 LR as opposed to ER, and can you differentiate between a 172M and SP for us?"
I guess the only difference i'd log is if its an RG, but even then, thats why you have a "complex" column in your logbook.
Its your logbook, do what you want with it.
03-25-2009, 04:44 AM
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Luckily my companies insurance covers us well. I can hop right into anything, including planes I've never flown before, and it's all good.
Everything outside the Airline world, insurance is a huge factor in how aircraft are operated and who they are flown by.
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