SkyHigh

Oh I hope that Alaska or Continental comes up with a pay to play program too. I have been saving for years now.

SkyHigh

tripleT

Thanks for proving my point guys! :>

Kill Bill

right... i get it... someone with actual real-world experience in flying heavy jets to virtually every part of the globe has no right to comment on your smug, self-satisfied ignorance?

wow... a couple of hundred hours and already has the world by the ass! it must be dreamy to be you!

be sure to tell all the guys unfortunate enough to fly with you how much smarter you are than them because you bypassed that pesky "learning-stuff" and bought your job from www.youpaymetoflymyjet.scam instead.

tripleT

Gee I guess because I didn't get the HONOR of flying for 5 years in the right seat of a 172 that I have no room to speak. I'm sure you got hired Kill Bill at your current airline (or whatever airline first hired you) with loads and loads of "real" PIC turbine experience....or did you get it at a regional?

Kill Bill

hey, dip****. i've been flying professionally since 1979. i came up like pilots used to have to until some management guy figured out that guys like you would pay HIM to fly his airplanes for him. i flight instructed, flew tours, charters, corporate, grand canyon, commuter then my "big" airline. i had about 3500 TT, 1400multi when i got my commuter job flying the jetstream, and not the J-31, either. i came to the big airline with 5500TT and about 2300 turbine multi. i just rolled past 14,000 hours and have type ratings in the 737, 757, and 767. in addition i flew FE (that's flight engineer... with your vast 6 months of experience you've probably never heard of such a thing) on the 727 and DC-10 and i'm starting my 19th year with my "big" airline. this is by way of saying that i do know what i'm talking about.

a couple of years ago, i was flying with a new hire in a 737-800. his previous experience was in beech 1900's. well, long story short, he got a little unstable on final but rescued himself at about 100 ft so i let him go. my mistake. he caught the tail skid after landing by pulling BACK on the yoke after we were already firmly on the ground and before i could stop him. and he had about ten times the "experience" you have.

so, spare me your sob story about having to fly with captains whose socks you couldn't hold with competence.

as i said in a previous post, there are reasons insurance companies penalize drivers under 25. and you are it.

loudgarrettdriver

LET HIM HAVE IT BILL.



I love this foum!

ERJ135

Hey, Kill Bill

That must really suck as a Capt to have an FO do that to you. Do you still get blamed for that even though you weren't at the controls? I did try to become an FE. Wouldn't jumped at a chance to fly with the 727 capts with decades of experience but, company went out of business. Being 21yrs old myself, there are still young guys that would love learn from the older folks.

Kill Bill

as long as you're not being facetious... it wasn't that bad although i had to do the rug dance in the chief pilot's office. no damage to the airplane, just about a quarter inch of the half-round nubber on the bottom of the skid ground off. it didn't compress the skid. the bad part was that it happened at night and we were the only airplane landing (SJU). apparently it looked like a big 4th of july sparkler.

i had a good time as an FE (7.5 years) and i look back on that side-saddle time with fondness. i flew all over the world on the dc-10 from europe to australia/new zealand/bali/japan, etc and had a great time. those were kind of the last days of fun flying. most of the captians i flew with then are long gone but the memories remain.

honestly, i don't care how guys come up. i know a guy who went from zero time to CALEX in 13 months. just don't show up with your entire 300 hours and tell me what's what when i've been flying longer than you've been alive. ignorance should never be worn as a badge of honor.

thank you for your kind and thoughtful post.

ERJ135

By the way not being facetious at all and I am a 900hr 130multi CFI

Pilotpip

Why not take the same money that you're going to spend at Mesa and use it at your local FBO? You could, theoretically build just as much time, in the same amount of time for around the same money. You're not going to be taught by a pilot factory, and you'll likely develop skills that wouldn't be found there.

Going somewhere like Gulfstream may get you a gig flying in the right seat for a few hours, but they can't find anybody with the PIC time within and are hiring captains from off the street.

I agree with Kill Bill and the others on here. Pay for training is killing payscales at the lower end and only going to cost you money in the long run. There are a number of people that have posted on here about having lots of total time, but little PIC. 121 experience doesn't mean **** if you don't have the PIC to go with it. There are a ton of people out there with 1000 hours and 100 multi, how are you going to set yourself apart?

One last thing; I'm not one of these "bitter" old guys that's been around the block. I'm 24, and taking my CFI exam next week. Why am I opposed to pay for training? Because I refuse to pay somebody to provide them with a service. It works the other way in every other industry out there, why should it be different here? I should be compensated for the job I do and once I have the applicable ratings I shouldn't have to pay to wear the uniform and fly the jet.