E-mail I received from Gulfstream
01-26-2008, 05:21 PM
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Then again, the industry will always have suckers to feed places like RAA, GIA, Tab Express, etc. Heck, I was one of those suckers at RAA once- trust me, it's all a sham.
01-26-2008, 09:33 PM
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You can do what you want, of course, but you might take it from others who have been in your situation, or at least educate yourself about the actual situation out there.
What makes you so sure that GIA is going to give you a year upgrade time? Do you not realize that almost every regional is around a two year upgrade time right now, with a couple of the likes like Mesa, TSA, Colgan, Mesaba, and others being around a year? And those places don't make you pay for training! Not only that, but in this volatile of an industry, all this can change on a moments notice. Not just upgrade times, but the actually financial security of the industry as a whole. Perhaps if the difference between a year or two years of upgrade time is so unbelievably important to you, it might not be the best thing for you to enter this industry?
My opinions are my own and only affect the people who either come to me because they need something from me or those who seek my advise, but I think you need to think long and hard about why exactly you're getting into this industry.
What makes you so sure that GIA is going to give you a year upgrade time? Do you not realize that almost every regional is around a two year upgrade time right now, with a couple of the likes like Mesa, TSA, Colgan, Mesaba, and others being around a year? And those places don't make you pay for training! Not only that, but in this volatile of an industry, all this can change on a moments notice. Not just upgrade times, but the actually financial security of the industry as a whole. Perhaps if the difference between a year or two years of upgrade time is so unbelievably important to you, it might not be the best thing for you to enter this industry?
My opinions are my own and only affect the people who either come to me because they need something from me or those who seek my advise, but I think you need to think long and hard about why exactly you're getting into this industry.
01-27-2008, 07:28 AM
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I did not want to instruct either but I did it while going to school and made really good money too. But I guess I can see why you would rather spend a lot of money going through their program and only make a crappy $18 an hour. Does not make sense to me. You do what you want, I just do not see why anyone would want to do that no matter what their situation might be, not to mention you are hurting other people in the process.
01-27-2008, 07:52 AM
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What are you talking about?? I've done my research on Gulfstream and everything about it sounds legit. PFTers are not limiting themselves to a lifetime at a regional.....a lot of their pilots are moving on to the majors!! The only thing bad I've ever heard about it was all the trash talking from these forums about how they are paying for training....who cares!!!! they don't want to waste their time instructing or building their hours another way.....get over yourselves!....and serioiusly, you guys can get mad or frustrated all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that they are building up hours (turbine time) a lot faster than anyone on the instructing route.
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01-27-2008, 09:25 AM
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What regionals are they moving on to exactly? Employees of legit regionals don't just get 1000 PIC and move on. There are thousands of pilots that meet the minimums at majors and that's why being competative takes much more.
Then again if you believe that you're going to learn anything more than the minimum at ATP, GIA, etc you're sorely mistaken. Thanks for bringing down the industry so you can fly a shiny jet chuckles.
Then again if you believe that you're going to learn anything more than the minimum at ATP, GIA, etc you're sorely mistaken. Thanks for bringing down the industry so you can fly a shiny jet chuckles.
01-27-2008, 09:39 AM
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You can do what you want, of course, but you might take it from others who have been in your situation, or at least educate yourself about the actual situation out there.
What makes you so sure that GIA is going to give you a year upgrade time? Do you not realize that almost every regional is around a two year upgrade time right now, with a couple of the likes like Mesa, TSA, Colgan, Mesaba, and others being around a year? And those places don't make you pay for training! Not only that, but in this volatile of an industry, all this can change on a moments notice. Not just upgrade times, but the actually financial security of the industry as a whole. Perhaps if the difference between a year or two years of upgrade time is so unbelievably important to you, it might not be the best thing for you to enter this industry?
My opinions are my own and only affect the people who either come to me because they need something from me or those who seek my advise, but I think you need to think long and hard about why exactly you're getting into this industry.
What makes you so sure that GIA is going to give you a year upgrade time? Do you not realize that almost every regional is around a two year upgrade time right now, with a couple of the likes like Mesa, TSA, Colgan, Mesaba, and others being around a year? And those places don't make you pay for training! Not only that, but in this volatile of an industry, all this can change on a moments notice. Not just upgrade times, but the actually financial security of the industry as a whole. Perhaps if the difference between a year or two years of upgrade time is so unbelievably important to you, it might not be the best thing for you to enter this industry?
My opinions are my own and only affect the people who either come to me because they need something from me or those who seek my advise, but I think you need to think long and hard about why exactly you're getting into this industry.
By talking to pilots at GIA! Ive talked to at least 4 pilots there that have upgraded in a year. And they don't have as many pilots as the other airlines.....so the upgrade time would be shorter. There's a total of 240 pilots. An FO that i talked to that's been working there for 8 months (3 of which are part of the 6 month FO program they have...because you get your seniority number in those last 3 months of the program) is already at seniority 120. They lose about 10 pilots ever month because they move onto other another regional airline or to a major airline. You do the math.
I'm in the industry because I know this is what I've always wanted to do. Because I want to progress as fast as I can does not mean that I don't belong in this industry. That's the mentality of anyone in any indstustry.
01-27-2008, 09:45 AM
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I don't know anything about RAA, but GIA is an actual airline so you're getting the 121 experience right away. You probably did get scammed by RAA, but it's a different situation at GIA. Please do your research before you bash something. Don't waste my time.
01-27-2008, 09:48 AM
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I did not want to instruct either but I did it while going to school and made really good money too. But I guess I can see why you would rather spend a lot of money going through their program and only make a crappy $18 an hour. Does not make sense to me. You do what you want, I just do not see why anyone would want to do that no matter what their situation might be, not to mention you are hurting other people in the process.
01-27-2008, 09:54 AM
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lol.....you can call that number if you want and you will get Bobby Pinto. You won't get me though. I did meet and talk to Bobby Pinto and of course the second you talk to him you get the feeling like you're talking to a salesman. And I was skeptical too, but it wasn't until I actually talked to the actual pilots that I started to change my mind. And these are not the pilots that they hire to work as recruiters there. I made sure I talked to the pilots when Bobby or any other sales guy was not around just so that i could get the read story about the place. And they all feel that they made a good decision becuase they know that they will get good experience there at a 121 airline.
01-27-2008, 09:57 AM
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What regionals are they moving on to exactly? Employees of legit regionals don't just get 1000 PIC and move on. There are thousands of pilots that meet the minimums at majors and that's why being competative takes much more.
Then again if you believe that you're going to learn anything more than the minimum at ATP, GIA, etc you're sorely mistaken. Thanks for bringing down the industry so you can fly a shiny jet chuckles.
Then again if you believe that you're going to learn anything more than the minimum at ATP, GIA, etc you're sorely mistaken. Thanks for bringing down the industry so you can fly a shiny jet chuckles.
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