career change, opinions wanted
12-13-2007, 11:49 PM
#51
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Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Posts: 4,357
"Since 1978 the career has been in decline"
I don't know, in 1983 I made 600/mo doing Grand Canyon tours in Cessna 172's, six days a week, and had to wear these silly white gas station attendent shirts. Plus, I had to clean the bathrooms and gas planes. Since I upgraded at UPS, in 2006, I've made 230K and will make 300K in five years.
Just keeping it real.
The career hasn't been bad for everybody.....
I don't know, in 1983 I made 600/mo doing Grand Canyon tours in Cessna 172's, six days a week, and had to wear these silly white gas station attendent shirts. Plus, I had to clean the bathrooms and gas planes. Since I upgraded at UPS, in 2006, I've made 230K and will make 300K in five years.
Just keeping it real.
The career hasn't been bad for everybody.....
12-13-2007, 11:54 PM
#52
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: 757/767
Posts: 890
"Since 1978 the career has been in decline"
I don't know, in 1983 I made 600/mo doing Grand Canyon tours in Cessna 172's, six days a week, and had to wear these silly white gas station attendent shirts. Plus, I had to clean the bathrooms and gas planes. Since I upgraded at UPS, in 2006, I've made 230K and will make 300K in five years.
Just keeping it real.
The career hasn't been bad for everybody.....
I don't know, in 1983 I made 600/mo doing Grand Canyon tours in Cessna 172's, six days a week, and had to wear these silly white gas station attendent shirts. Plus, I had to clean the bathrooms and gas planes. Since I upgraded at UPS, in 2006, I've made 230K and will make 300K in five years.
Just keeping it real.
The career hasn't been bad for everybody.....
12-14-2007, 12:29 AM
#53
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 193
"Since 1978 the career has been in decline"
I don't know, in 1983 I made 600/mo doing Grand Canyon tours in Cessna 172's, six days a week, and had to wear these silly white gas station attendent shirts. Plus, I had to clean the bathrooms and gas planes. Since I upgraded at UPS, in 2006, I've made 230K and will make 300K in five years.
Just keeping it real.
The career hasn't been bad for everybody.....
I don't know, in 1983 I made 600/mo doing Grand Canyon tours in Cessna 172's, six days a week, and had to wear these silly white gas station attendent shirts. Plus, I had to clean the bathrooms and gas planes. Since I upgraded at UPS, in 2006, I've made 230K and will make 300K in five years.
Just keeping it real.
The career hasn't been bad for everybody.....
That's why I provided a ref for my claim of "decline since 1978"
http://www.landings.com/_landings/st...ainicarus.html
1978 wide body pay was 175K
2006 constant cpi adjust was 541K
http://146.142.4.24/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
541K (2006) vs your 230K (2006) = 57% pay cut for wide body from 1978.
Like I said, take the reward today and cut it in half. If you are a young person starting out that's what you can expect. Our friend de727ups has just made my point.
Thank you, de727ups
12-14-2007, 06:57 AM
#54
Self Employed.
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Don't quit
Everyone needs to draw a line in the sand. In my case I just couldn't make my family go through any more moves to any more miserable strange cities for embarrassing wages.
Our lives today are greatly improved because of it.
SKyHigh
12-14-2007, 07:04 AM
#55
Self Employed.
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Look and See
XJ is Mesaba. No I have no money. I just don't get so fired up on the subject. I know guys that retired from NWA at 55. So what? I've been around for awhile and good and bad comes and goes. No one and I mean 'no one' knows what will happen with all this crap! The older I get the more I realize somethings are beyond my control, so I don't worry about it. "It is what it is". To quote a fellow pilot.
Denial is no excuse. Good comes and goes but we all are the captains of our destiny. If you choose to avoid acknowledging the obvious then you are doing yourself no favors.
Look at how far the industry has slid in 20 years and continue that decline 20 years into the future and you will begin to grasp what you are in for. On average pilots have lost half their wages since 1978 and are working significantly more for that money.
By the time a 25 year old reaches 65 most likely every airline that we know today will be long gone.
"Hey it is what it is". "Don't worry". In time that mantra will be necessary to make it though the day as your friends and peers are buying houses and starting families.
Skyhigh
12-14-2007, 07:30 AM
#56
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Position: SAABster
Posts: 639
If you would take the time to look you will see the future.
Denial is no excuse. Good comes and goes but we all are the captains of our destiny. If you choose to avoid acknowledging the obvious then you are doing yourself no favors.
Look at how far the industry has slid in 20 years and continue that decline 20 years into the future and you will begin to grasp what you are in for. On average pilots have lost half their wages since 1978 and are working significantly more for that money.
By the time a 25 year old reaches 65 most likely every airline that we know today will be long gone.
"Hey it is what it is". "Don't worry". In time that mantra will be necessary to make it though the day as your friends and peers are buying houses and starting families.
Skyhigh
Denial is no excuse. Good comes and goes but we all are the captains of our destiny. If you choose to avoid acknowledging the obvious then you are doing yourself no favors.
Look at how far the industry has slid in 20 years and continue that decline 20 years into the future and you will begin to grasp what you are in for. On average pilots have lost half their wages since 1978 and are working significantly more for that money.
By the time a 25 year old reaches 65 most likely every airline that we know today will be long gone.
"Hey it is what it is". "Don't worry". In time that mantra will be necessary to make it though the day as your friends and peers are buying houses and starting families.
Skyhigh
12-14-2007, 07:33 AM
#57
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Position: SAABster
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That's why I provided a ref for my claim of "decline since 1978"
http://www.landings.com/_landings/st...ainicarus.html
1978 wide body pay was 175K
2006 constant cpi adjust was 541K
http://146.142.4.24/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
541K (2006) vs your 230K (2006) = 57% pay cut for wide body from 1978.
Like I said, take the reward today and cut it in half. If you are a young person starting out that's what you can expect. Our friend de727ups has just made my point.
Thank you, de727ups
http://www.landings.com/_landings/st...ainicarus.html
1978 wide body pay was 175K
2006 constant cpi adjust was 541K
http://146.142.4.24/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
541K (2006) vs your 230K (2006) = 57% pay cut for wide body from 1978.
Like I said, take the reward today and cut it in half. If you are a young person starting out that's what you can expect. Our friend de727ups has just made my point.
Thank you, de727ups
12-14-2007, 08:45 AM
#58
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Posts: 4,357
"Thank you, de727ups"
You're welcome.
So, who is keeping up with inflation since 1978, pay wise? Anybody besides pro-athletes?
I don't dispute that I'm not keeping up with inflation since 1978 (heck, I voted no), but to condem the career as unworthy of all our efforts cause it's not keeping up with inflation since 1978 seems a litte over the top.
I'm not much for stats, by tell me what percentage of the US population makes over 200K?
You're welcome.
So, who is keeping up with inflation since 1978, pay wise? Anybody besides pro-athletes?
I don't dispute that I'm not keeping up with inflation since 1978 (heck, I voted no), but to condem the career as unworthy of all our efforts cause it's not keeping up with inflation since 1978 seems a litte over the top.
I'm not much for stats, by tell me what percentage of the US population makes over 200K?
12-14-2007, 09:00 AM
#59
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Position: 757/767
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I guess that's the very attitude that can be partially blamed for the decline in our profession. A major airline pilot is entrusted with in some cases hundreds of lives, an asset worth nine figures, and billions of dollars in liability. Not to flame but the attitude oozing from your recent posts is not helping anything. "I work at Mesaba so I don't make any money, but that's OK cause' I'm having fun. I have a great quality of life with lakes houses and such." Obviously not financed by your work as a pilot and therefore irrelevant. I can honestly say I've saved many lives in the past 20 years, although usually including my own.
Last edited by Deez340; 12-14-2007 at 09:18 AM.
12-14-2007, 09:14 AM
#60
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Position: A320 Right Seat
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Just my .02 here but look at options other than the airlines. You may have to suck it up at a regional for awhile to get the time but there are certainly corporate jobs out there which sometimes require less time away from home and better pay. Of course they may also be worse. I was fed up with the airlines a few years ago after going through two and some furloughs at each. After a break of four years with Uncle Sam I decided to get back into aviation and knew the airlines (at least the regionals) were not right for me or my family. However, the fractionals offer decent pay, good equipment (usually), a good schedule, and a lot of different destinations.
Just keep the options open and don't burn any bridges along the way.
Just keep the options open and don't burn any bridges along the way.
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