Best airplanes to build time in
09-30-2018, 04:04 PM
#13
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I bought my Rans S-14 for $5500 and build time at 3 gal per hour. Cheapest timebuilding possible for me. Best career move I ever made. I plan on building to 500hrs then applying at the usual places. With the Rotax 912 I should be able to make my 5k back on the investment and use that to pay for my multi.
10-02-2018, 06:04 PM
#14
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Also, what is wrong with wanting AC. I live in south Texas and flying without AC is MISERABLE. Your entire shirt is soaked through before you even get taxied to the run up area.
I would personally get a 172. Throw a waas 430, dual g5s and one of those electric AC units. You'd probably be into it for 115 to 130k more than a worn out old one, but it would be the queen of the fleet at the school you want to instruct through. I'd personally (and everyone else I ask) would pay $15 more an hour to turn on that AC.
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At least down here, having AC changes the way you utilize your airplane. I would not own one that didn't either have one, or atleast have a good option to install one.
Last edited by TaylorPilot; 10-02-2018 at 06:36 PM.
10-02-2018, 07:08 PM
#15
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Do what? LOL
Also, what is wrong with wanting AC. I live in south Texas and flying without AC is MISERABLE. Your entire shirt is soaked through before you even get taxied to the run up area.
I would personally get a 172. Throw a waas 430, dual g5s and one of those electric AC units. You'd probably be into it for 115 to 130k more than a worn out old one, but it would be the queen of the fleet at the school you want to instruct through. I'd personally (and everyone else I ask) would pay $15 more an hour to turn on that AC.
Aircraft Electric Air Conditioning, ThermaCool | Kelly Aerospace Thermal Systems
At least down here, having AC changes the way you utilize your airplane. I would not own one that didn't either have one, or atleast have a good option to install one.
Also, what is wrong with wanting AC. I live in south Texas and flying without AC is MISERABLE. Your entire shirt is soaked through before you even get taxied to the run up area.
I would personally get a 172. Throw a waas 430, dual g5s and one of those electric AC units. You'd probably be into it for 115 to 130k more than a worn out old one, but it would be the queen of the fleet at the school you want to instruct through. I'd personally (and everyone else I ask) would pay $15 more an hour to turn on that AC.
Aircraft Electric Air Conditioning, ThermaCool | Kelly Aerospace Thermal Systems
At least down here, having AC changes the way you utilize your airplane. I would not own one that didn't either have one, or atleast have a good option to install one.
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10-02-2018, 08:47 PM
#16
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After flight training I am thinking about buying an aircraft to build time while I also instruct.
I am looking for something comfortable that I can also take on trips and air conditioning while keeping cost per hour down. Open to either single engine or multi engine. Will most likely be splitting ownership with 1 or 2 others.
Just wanted to hear people's opinions and why.
I am looking for something comfortable that I can also take on trips and air conditioning while keeping cost per hour down. Open to either single engine or multi engine. Will most likely be splitting ownership with 1 or 2 others.
Just wanted to hear people's opinions and why.
10-02-2018, 09:18 PM
#17
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Here’s my argument in favor of working through your hours rather then private owner flying - record keeping.
Every hour flown at a flightschool as CFI or flown as a CPL SE pilot is kept track of at your employer.
Or should be anyway.
So I’m at an interview with my privately flown 500 hrs. Who can ever prove they’ve actually flown that time vs just padding your logbook at home?
CFII and MEI time is some of the most valuable time you can get.
Because it TEACHES you about flying.
Unless you’re very disciplined with yourself and making your flights mean something it’s just drilling holes in the sky.
As HR I would be hesitant if I only see the same type & tailnumber and we’ve got a $2-3M airplane on the ramp.
And I don’t want to see 5-6 flightschools in 12 months either.
Call me crazy but if I’m to employ you and pay for your training I’d want a little more certainty about your skills and your personality aka you’ve actually held a job in aviation.
And I’d show you the door once I’ve looked up this:
But hey that’s just me and my opinion.
Every hour flown at a flightschool as CFI or flown as a CPL SE pilot is kept track of at your employer.
Or should be anyway.
So I’m at an interview with my privately flown 500 hrs. Who can ever prove they’ve actually flown that time vs just padding your logbook at home?
CFII and MEI time is some of the most valuable time you can get.
Because it TEACHES you about flying.
Unless you’re very disciplined with yourself and making your flights mean something it’s just drilling holes in the sky.
As HR I would be hesitant if I only see the same type & tailnumber and we’ve got a $2-3M airplane on the ramp.
And I don’t want to see 5-6 flightschools in 12 months either.
Call me crazy but if I’m to employ you and pay for your training I’d want a little more certainty about your skills and your personality aka you’ve actually held a job in aviation.
And I’d show you the door once I’ve looked up this:
But hey that’s just me and my opinion.
10-10-2018, 05:28 PM
#18
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Thanks all. I've been looking at a few platforms and I am lucky enough to be able to afford a nice airplane with air conditioning but given the mission I probably should just suck it up for a bit.
I intend on working as a cfi and the school I would most likely teach at averages 80 to 100 flight hours a month.
I wanted an aircraft for me personally so that I could still fly and actually enjoy it versus being work all the time while also building hours. I was thinking a cirrus or Cessna 310 but I think I should be a little more practical with a time builder and maybe splurge on something nice after I get my hours.
I intend on working as a cfi and the school I would most likely teach at averages 80 to 100 flight hours a month.
I wanted an aircraft for me personally so that I could still fly and actually enjoy it versus being work all the time while also building hours. I was thinking a cirrus or Cessna 310 but I think I should be a little more practical with a time builder and maybe splurge on something nice after I get my hours.
10-10-2018, 08:50 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 445
Here’s my argument in favor of working through your hours rather then private owner flying - record keeping.
Every hour flown at a flightschool as CFI or flown as a CPL SE pilot is kept track of at your employer.
Or should be anyway.
So I’m at an interview with my privately flown 500 hrs. Who can ever prove they’ve actually flown that time vs just padding your logbook at home?
CFII and MEI time is some of the most valuable time you can get.
Because it TEACHES you about flying.
Unless you’re very disciplined with yourself and making your flights mean something it’s just drilling holes in the sky.
As HR I would be hesitant if I only see the same type & tailnumber and we’ve got a $2-3M airplane on the ramp.
And I don’t want to see 5-6 flightschools in 12 months either.
Call me crazy but if I’m to employ you and pay for your training I’d want a little more certainty about your skills and your personality aka you’ve actually held a job in aviation.
And I’d show you the door once I’ve looked up this:
But hey that’s just me and my opinion.
Every hour flown at a flightschool as CFI or flown as a CPL SE pilot is kept track of at your employer.
Or should be anyway.
So I’m at an interview with my privately flown 500 hrs. Who can ever prove they’ve actually flown that time vs just padding your logbook at home?
CFII and MEI time is some of the most valuable time you can get.
Because it TEACHES you about flying.
Unless you’re very disciplined with yourself and making your flights mean something it’s just drilling holes in the sky.
As HR I would be hesitant if I only see the same type & tailnumber and we’ve got a $2-3M airplane on the ramp.
And I don’t want to see 5-6 flightschools in 12 months either.
Call me crazy but if I’m to employ you and pay for your training I’d want a little more certainty about your skills and your personality aka you’ve actually held a job in aviation.
And I’d show you the door once I’ve looked up this:
But hey that’s just me and my opinion.
Im assuming thats aimed at me since that is the same type of bird I have,
I have a few hundred 172 hours and around 40 in PA-28s. Still fly P&P missions in a Club 172 so Its not like Im rocking up to a job interview with all my hours in one type.
For what its worth, all of the hours in my Rans were spent on XC "missions" that I took extensive photographs of and wrote a blog entry for each visit. No boring holes in the sky. For example next up is a trip from my home field in South Louisiana to First Flight. A quite significant XC flight regardless of what piston single it is.
10-10-2018, 09:53 PM
#20
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You’re missing the point...a little.
I’m not disputing that your ‘type of flying’ isn’t cool or exciting or fun.
It’s great to noodle around at 1000’ with nothing but a paper chart.
I’m questioning the usefulness as far as a professional career is concerned.
See I’m thinking hood time and 1000 instrument approaches till you can do a partial panel approach in your sleep.
Stick and rudder skills still have a place but not at the expense of everything else.
The sim at an airline is not the place to find out.
I’m not disputing that your ‘type of flying’ isn’t cool or exciting or fun.
It’s great to noodle around at 1000’ with nothing but a paper chart.
I’m questioning the usefulness as far as a professional career is concerned.
See I’m thinking hood time and 1000 instrument approaches till you can do a partial panel approach in your sleep.
Stick and rudder skills still have a place but not at the expense of everything else.
The sim at an airline is not the place to find out.
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