skycowboy

Pilotpip mentioned




What the heck is that last part all about?? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!?
Against policy???????????????????

Pilotpip

Instructing counts towards your total time. Many regionals will have you flying upwards of 90 hours a month. You can max at 100 a month and/or 1000 a year. Any side flying will put you over the top of those max hours. As a result many airlines severely discourage instructing.

skycowboy

Well I think that is lame as heck - extremely extremely extremely - lame... UBER lame... Mucho Grande Lame... a plethora of lameness... They check your log book at the end of the year!? if not, and you instructed, and didn't say a thing about - think anyone would care?

What if your hobby was golf, and because you played for the PGA you were limited to a certain number of rounds of golf that can be played in a year? That would be like the PGA saying - you can't have your hobby anymore...

Wellllllll what if my hobby is flight instructing (hypothetically speaking - excluding the possibility of exhaustion from work - just bear with me)??? That is like an airline saying well "if your hobby is flight instructing - thats just tough luck for you buddy...."

Kiss my irish rump - that torks me...

Pilotpip

If you fly 1000 hours in a year you're useless to them after that. It can tork you all you want it too. RAH is one company that I know of where it's expressly prohibited.

Man, if I'm flying 1000 hours a year I think I'd find a new hobby.

skycowboy

Now when you say useless in what respect? Ok so let me ask you this... if I am not instructing but I am dorking around in a plane doesn't that count towards your total time??? I mean what the heck?

Exactly what kind of operations count as going towards your "total time" - what else?

Ewfflyer

It's total Commercial time, so your part 91 pleasure flying is not counted. If you flight instruct for free(please don't, but that's another discussion), it wouldn't legally count. When he says' "Useless," it means that your airline cannot assign you to fly until your total hours in the given 12month period drop below 1000(or whatever it might be, not familiar with 121)

I'm part 135, and if I instructed on the side, even outside my company etc..., and I was getting paid, then I'd have to count those commercial hours towards the 1400/800/500 per yr/6mo/3mo totals that affect my 135 job. Seems like it'd be tough to affect those, but I flew my first 12 months. I've weened way back now, but you have to realize that this is part of the process, you're moving on, and honestly, there's probably some other instructor out there that could use the business. But if you're doing it for "Hobby's" sake, family members are ok, because I really hope you don't charge the family....... besides a home-cooked meal.

Hope I made this clear as mud for ya

BoilerUP

Most 121 airlines' FOM/GOM expressly prohibits commercial flying outside of the airline.

You can often ask your chief pilot or Director of Ops for an exception if you want to do *limited* flight instruction, especially if you aren't projected to time out for the year. I know one guy at a 121 carrier that got an exemption from his CP to do a very limited amount of contract Citation flying for his old boss.

Fly commercially on the side with a full-time 121 gig without permission? Great way to get yourself fired if you get caught. In other words - DON'T DO IT.

deadstick35

Oh yes. The logging time is one issue, but another is duty time. I had one FSDO tell me that (CFIing with 135 on demand) that my duty time included the CFIing since it was a commerical operation.

The BIG question here is whether the regionals are setting themselves up for failure in a year or so with a supply of ATP qualified FO's.

"61.159(a)(4)
250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command"

If they hire somebody with 250TT, and the national average for the PPL is 65 and another 10-20 for the CPL-ME, they will come up short of the PIC time. Can the second part of 159a4 be used in some manner?

Just curious.

de727ups

You can instruct all you want on the side, as an airline pilot. What you can't do is accept compensation.

As far as I'm concerned, this falls under the don't ask, don't tell, policy. Some people here will make a big deal out of this issue of instructing being considered "commercial flying". My advice would be to keep it quiet and not worry about it.

schoolio

And the FAA has an interpretation out there that considers the "logging of flight time" as compensation with regards to "free" flight instruction. I don't have it right now...I'll see if I can dig it up.

Also, consider this - let's say it's December, and you're doing some flight instruction on the side, and it puts you over your 1000 hours for the year. Now you're up in the pattern one day with a student, and you end up bending an airplane. Think about what will happen with your airline job when they find out. Think about what the FAA will do to you and your certificates when they find out you violated the provisions of 14 CFR 121.467 (I think that's it). Don't expect either of them to go easy on you.