Hiring Mins 3000?
12-12-2023, 05:41 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 113
While I’m glad that Delta has entered the conversation as the benchmark for pilot pay… The CGF moneyball analytics team has made some very favorable assumptions about career progression at Flexjet and some incredibly lowball assumptions about Delta pay in order to advance their narrative. The Delta Pilot union contract has lots of soft pay items that discourage the sort of scheduling behavior which is normal at Flexjet. That said, those sorts of scheduling things still happen and as a result, I know multiple year two SICs at Delta who are already banking over $250k this year with two paychecks and a performance bonus left to go. All this while working less than the flexjet 8/6 schedule (or pbs equivalent). These figures do not include a 14% direct fully vested 401k contribution. With pay that good for second year hires, I’m not even sure golden handcuffs are a thing anymore.
Understanding that airlines aren’t for everyone and that Flex may have some more tricks up their sleeve before they reveal the final numbers, it’s still early to fully judge what the effects might be. That said, I think the changes are too little, too vague, and (at Q2 of 2024) too late to stop the attrition. Furthermore, no changes to 3yr+ pilot tables in the face of some serious inflation and market changes shows me that maybe this isn’t a career destination that cares about lifetime compensation for what can be a pretty exhausting job vs 121 flying. Their own chart shows as much with a 15yr extrapolated difference (yrs 10 through 25) of $720k-$1.2M.
Understanding that airlines aren’t for everyone and that Flex may have some more tricks up their sleeve before they reveal the final numbers, it’s still early to fully judge what the effects might be. That said, I think the changes are too little, too vague, and (at Q2 of 2024) too late to stop the attrition. Furthermore, no changes to 3yr+ pilot tables in the face of some serious inflation and market changes shows me that maybe this isn’t a career destination that cares about lifetime compensation for what can be a pretty exhausting job vs 121 flying. Their own chart shows as much with a 15yr extrapolated difference (yrs 10 through 25) of $720k-$1.2M.
12-13-2023, 08:41 AM
#32
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 311
I'm not going anywhere because I've got maybe 5-7 years left to fly and what I've seen so far suits me.
If you have 25 years or more to go in this business, you're probably savvy enough to be able to decide where you want to go and stay. That may very well be Flexjet. But, if the company dorks this up after all the fanfare, it won't be pretty.
12-13-2023, 10:20 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Feb 2023
Posts: 50
If, they already have, the details whenever they come out won't be anywhere near what people think based off what he said during the meeting. They don't care what you, I or any of us think. We have no collective voice. They do them, we have to do us.
12-15-2023, 11:12 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 36
Pay for all went up, the year 1-3 increases were greater than the 3+ increases but all rates were raised.
12-19-2023, 11:03 AM
#38
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Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 1
Had an interview scheduled for early January, got a call recently cancelling the interview because I didn't meet the new time requirements.
They noted the new 3,000 hour requirement (I'm a few hundred short there), along with a 500 hour MEL requirement (!). I don't see the MEL piece published on their website at present.
They noted the new 3,000 hour requirement (I'm a few hundred short there), along with a 500 hour MEL requirement (!). I don't see the MEL piece published on their website at present.
12-22-2023, 02:25 PM
#40
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Had an interview scheduled for early January, got a call recently cancelling the interview because I didn't meet the new time requirements.
They noted the new 3,000 hour requirement (I'm a few hundred short there), along with a 500 hour MEL requirement (!). I don't see the MEL piece published on their website at present.
They noted the new 3,000 hour requirement (I'm a few hundred short there), along with a 500 hour MEL requirement (!). I don't see the MEL piece published on their website at present.
Heard from a recruiter today. 3000 TT and 500 MEL are hard minimums. 500 turbine preferred.
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