pinseeker

Forgive my ignorance, but the last month that the SIG has disputed pairings published is August. Those were for the Airbus. January has disputed pairings published for the 757 and the Airbus(I think), but none for December. Where are you getting these disputed pairings for December?

Emmerson Bigs

Where did I say December? Did I do that by accident or are you just assuming?
I'm talking about January 2021. Trips obviously scooped up during the View/Add.

FXLAX

It’s probably out of ignorance. I have been here a few years and didn’t know about disputed pairings until less than a year ago. And I didn’t know how to know if a trip in open time is a disputed pairing. If you look in the contract, it doesn’t say how one would distinguish a disputed pairing versus any other pairing. And as far as I know now, you have to look up the SIG notes, assuming one know what that is, see if there are any for that month for your fleet, and then check them against any and all trips in open time. Or you can buy a subscription for FXCal, assuming one knows what that is and are willing to pay for it to find out the app has this feature, and download the disputed pairings (supposedly since I haven’t seen this yet).

I believe the MEC should provide a course on the contract to our pilots so things like this, and dozens of other things, can be enforced when a pilot knows their rights under the contract.

HooverPilot

I’ve heard of disputed pairings, but I’ve never known how to identify them. Is the SIG notes seriously the only way other than via a paid subscription?! WTF?

pinseeker

Relax dude! I asked the question because I did not know what month you were talking about. Since you cleared that up, I looked and only 1 of the 75 trips had been picked up in the left like Thrust said.

Since all of the pick ups were by pilots that were hired after the new contract was signed and the dispute process had changed, maybe they were not aware of how it works. There have only been a few months in 5 years that we have had disputed pairings and this is the first in 5 years to have them in the 75.

How is this different than pilots tripping over themselves to pick up draft trips to China or draft extensions in the field to China when pilots could opt out of China flying in the 777? Is that OK while picking up a disputed pairing isn't? It's easy to throw stones at others, especially on an anonymous forum.

Have a Merry Christmas !

Emmerson Bigs

I'm relaxed. Just checking that i didn't confuse the situation by mentioning December.
Two 757 DPs have guys in the left seat already. 171/19Jan and 292/25Jan. Ignorance isn't a good excuse.
What is your point on 777 trips to China. Opting in our out of something based on an MOU isn't the same as flying a DP the union asks us not to fly. There's a big difference there.

At least a few more of you know about DPs. Is reading the SIG note that much of a burden? How does everyone want the DP info sent out? Text it directly to your device? The SIG notes get emailed to you every month with a link which is about as close to that as it gets. Screen shot the DPs (if there are any) and keep them handy. FX cal is free from what I hear. Use that to check OT without auto-polling. Or pay the $60/year and use BidX which is a much better product. You can enter any DPs there and and they'll show up in red when you check OT.

I'm out. Merry Christmas.

Stonewall

Honest question: What would cause this trip to be a disputed pairing? Just trying to understand. Thanks and Merry Christmas to everyone.

290 MO REPORT AT 23:55 (17:55 L.T.) EFFECTIVE JAN 11 ONLY
FULL CREW
DAY FLT. EQP DEPARTS (L.T.) ARRIVES (L.T.) BLK. BLK. DUTY CR. LAYOVER

*MO DL1630 321 MEM 0055(1855) ATL 0213(2113) 01:18
*MO DL5376 CR9 ATL 0305(2205) TYS 0401(2301) 00:56

*TU 1619 F22 TYS 0410(2310) IND 0524(0024) 01:14 HOTEL
12TU 1749 F23 IND 0935(0435) OMA 1116(0516) 01:41 BM

13WE 3620 F23 OMA 1430(0830) IND 1557(1057) 01:27 BS

15FR 1763 F22 IND 0855(0355) SLC 1237(0537) 03:42 BM
15FR 1763 F22 SLC 1322(0622) ONT 1502(0702) 01:40

16SA 3624 F22 ONT 1345(0545) IND 1732(1232) 03:47 BM/DS
16SA DL1591 321 IND 2036(1536) ATL 2205(1705) 01:29
16SA DL1651 321 ATL 2325(1825) MEM 0044(1844) 01:19
03:47 12:29 06:35

CREDIT HRS: 38:45T BLK HRS: 13:31 LDGS: 6 TAFB: 145:19

Fr8Master

I was unaware of Disputed Pairings until this thread and I’m coming up on year 3. I get ALPA emails continually, and I’ve gotten to a point where I just delete them all without reading. Because of this thread now I know where to look. That being said, let’s not call the captains out publicly. If you feel that strongly why not just shoot them a text in private to remind them of our stance as a group on disputed pairings.

middies10

It violates a section of our contract that relates to blended (critical/day/night) duty period limits. Reference CBA 12.C.4.d

The violation exists in the IND-SLC-ONT duty period.

pinseeker

No, it is disputed because it didn't comply with a soft parameter for the SIG. It is legal per the blended duty limits.