Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude

Incorrect. If your initial assignment is a WB then you are bound by the lateral move constraints. If your initial assignment is 757 then you can bid whatever you want and be awarded whatever you can hold.

Originally Posted by KYTBRD

Based on what we were told this too is incorrect . If the only seat remaining in the drop is a 757 then you have no choice and are not bound by the seat lock criteria.

For example: class of 12 new hires. The top 6 people pick a WB and number 7 picks a 757. Then numbers 8-11 pick a WB. If the only plane remaining is a 757 for the last person then they are not bound by the seat lock criteria because he had no choice. However, the person in seventh place who picked a 757 INSTEAD of a WB is bound by the seat lock since it was his decision to pick it.

Originally Posted by KYTBRD

However, the person in seventh place who picked a 757 INSTEAD of a WB is bound by the seat lock since it was his decision to pick it.

Originally Posted by pinseeker

Again, what seat lock are you talking about. I can't find any mention of a new hire seat lock in either the 2011 contract or the 2015 contract. As UA stated, there are lateral/downbid restrictions, but no new hire seat lock restrictions that I can find. Can you point me to the place in the contract you are referring to?

Originally Posted by Adlerdriver

With some kung fu using the search function you might be able to find some pretty extensive info because I know this kind of stuff has been covered before by me and others.

But, I'll try to give a broad overview. First, take any pre-conceived notions about airline trips you have from your pax flying experience and leave them out of this.

The most basic trip we have at FedEx is called a hub turn. For the sake of discussion, let's just say the night (or "AM") hub turns depart at 0300 and the day (or "PM") hub turns depart at 1500.

You depart, fly one or two legs to an out station and go to the hotel. 12-ish to 18-ish hours later, you fly one or two legs back to MEM. End of trip. Those trips pay 6 hours (unless flight time exceeds that, which does happen but it's rare). Total time away from base is ~18 to 22 hours.

The AM variety will arrive back in MEM around midnight, while the PM trips usually have a very early wakeup and will get you back to MEM around 0900-ish. The strange thing for a pax guy to get about the PM hub turns at first is that they only pay 6 hours. They look like a 2-day trip to a pax guy. Leave in the afternoon, fly to a layover and come back to the hub the next morning. However, it's all based on time away from base, not the days on the calendar.

Many lines just contain a series of these trips back to back over the course of 4-5 days. So, if you're flying a series of AM hub turns, a couple of hours after you arrive back in MEM (at midnight), you "show" for your next trip and depart at 0300 again. It's quite possible that the trip is a duplicate of the one you just flew and could be that way all week.

PM guys do the same thing, usually with a longer "turn" between trips. Arriving in MEM at ~0900 and departing again that afternoon in the ballpark of 1500.

There are other varieties of trips on all those aircraft you listed that may look like more traditional airline trips. Sometimes a Sunday PM departure will have a 24 hour layover allowing a return to MEM Monday night to begin the evening sort. Other trips are 4-5 days long and begin with a deadhead to the outstation. The pilot then spends the week flying from that station to MEM or IND (or a few other sort facilities) and "hub-turning" just like everyone else, returning to that out station every layover. At the end of the week, he deadheads back after a layover following his final duty period.

There are a few more schedule iterations on the domestic birds and the international schedules have even more variety. I don't know if that helps or not.

Originally Posted by tyty12

Has anyone received an interview invite since going to obap?

Originally Posted by pinseeker

You can bid it whenever you can hold it. There is no seat lock in your initial seat. The only thing that may keep you from bidding out right away is if you took an FDA.