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Old 06-27-2021, 06:31 AM
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$4k/mo until completion of IOE. Took me 4 months, but I was the most junior in my Nh class. Most senior guys in my class finished in just over 3 months.
I’m on the outside looking in, but 4 months seems long for a standard AQP type rating. Is it possible it takes 4 months because the contract allows them to pay new hires training pay thus it’s in the company’s advantage to train new hires slowly or is there a cargo centric part of the course that takes more time?
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Old 06-27-2021, 08:34 AM
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I’m on the outside looking in, but 4 months seems long for a standard AQP type rating. Is it possible it takes 4 months because the contract allows them to pay new hires training pay thus it’s in the company’s advantage to train new hires slowly or is there a cargo centric part of the course that takes more time?
It's a training center volume issue. After 2 weeks of BI, the most senior new hires on each frame go to systems training as soon as they can be scheduled, while the more junior guys end up waiting 2-3 weeks, sometimes more.
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Old 06-27-2021, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by rvfanatic
I’m on the outside looking in, but 4 months seems long for a standard AQP type rating. Is it possible it takes 4 months because the contract allows them to pay new hires training pay thus it’s in the company’s advantage to train new hires slowly or is there a cargo centric part of the course that takes more time?
Thank you so much for the information!
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Old 06-27-2021, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rvfanatic
I’m on the outside looking in, but 4 months seems long for a standard AQP type rating. Is it possible it takes 4 months because the contract allows them to pay new hires training pay thus it’s in the company’s advantage to train new hires slowly or is there a cargo centric part of the course that takes more time?
We also have contractual amount of days of between Procedures and Maneuvers. Extra sims for HUD and EFVS, international ground and 2 intl sims, it’s adds up. This place if flush with money, the difference between training pay and first year pay isn’t costing them much more. They need bodies on the line, there is nothing in play to keep you in the schoolhouse longer.
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Old 06-27-2021, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rvfanatic
I’m on the outside looking in, but 4 months seems long for a standard AQP type rating. Is it possible it takes 4 months because the contract allows them to pay new hires training pay thus it’s in the company’s advantage to train new hires slowly or is there a cargo centric part of the course that takes more time?
Look at the history of the MD, and you have your answer as to why that specific program is longer than the rest.
So plan on at least 4 months if you choose the MD.

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Old 06-28-2021, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by rvfanatic
I’m on the outside looking in, but 4 months seems long for a standard AQP type rating. Is it possible it takes 4 months because the contract allows them to pay new hires training pay thus it’s in the company’s advantage to train new hires slowly or is there a cargo centric part of the course that takes more time?
Training here is just slow. Lots of single-day breaks, two-day break here and there. And keeping a person on training pay longer doesn't do anything for the company. Each day in training is just another day which they pay you (albeit very little as a New Hire) and you are unavailable to the company to actually be of use.
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Old 06-28-2021, 07:08 AM
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I appreciated the gaps between events. Good for self study.

I did three trainings at the AA Sims with AA instructors in DFW. 727 S/O and F/O, DC-10 F/O.

Our instructors were better. In one case, much better.
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Old 06-29-2021, 12:23 AM
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Any insights or guesses on what the plans are for HKG base?
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Old 06-29-2021, 02:18 AM
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You asked for guesses, so here goes. OAK currently serves as both a west coast domestic base and a shock absorber for HKG trips (by having 76 crews DH across the Pacific into Asia for local 76 flying, then DH back to OAK).

Eventually the HKG FDX pilot domicile will draw down due to CCP shenanigans ruining HKG as a global economic/trade hub. The exodus of businesses has already begun.

HKG pilots who still like Asia flying with slowly matriculate into OAK, still flying the same basic trips they always did, except with huge DHs on both ends of the trip. Status on whatever airline they choose as west coast commuters.

OAK will turn senior eventually, in the same way that LAX is senior. The double DH Asia flying is still highly desirable.

Just one cog's opinion.
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Old 06-29-2021, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DirtyPurple
You asked for guesses, so here goes. OAK currently serves as both a west coast domestic base and a shock absorber for HKG trips (by having 76 crews DH across the Pacific into Asia for local 76 flying, then DH back to OAK).

Eventually the HKG FDX pilot domicile will draw down due to CCP shenanigans ruining HKG as a global economic/trade hub. The exodus of businesses has already begun.

HKG pilots who still like Asia flying with slowly matriculate into OAK, still flying the same basic trips they always did, except with huge DHs on both ends of the trip. Status on whatever airline they choose as west coast commuters.

OAK will turn senior eventually, in the same way that LAX is senior. The double DH Asia flying is still highly desirable.

Just one cog's opinion.
I pretty much agree - but the question I would have is how will they handle the 75 flying? Just put a 76 on those legs?

The HKG guys and gals are dual qualified so they can fly both obviously for market reasons. What is interesting is the company has not chosen to dual qual the Cologne pilots and instead dead heads Memphis 76 pilots to Europe to fly the 76 intra Europe flying.
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