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Old 06-03-2016, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor
Safety issues that'll kill you on the job are seen as important, understandable.

But safety issues that'll kill you shortly after retirement, and reduce the amount of pension you collect, seem not that important (maybe that'll change when we negotiate away our A plan).
Hey Cloud, et al......

Ok, after two RVN tours living with Agent Orange, I followed it with 30 years at Purple......I've now had 3 separate primary cancers....btw, the first was diagnosed 2 days after my retirement.

I'm not looking for sympathy, or any boo hoos, but a hope that you folks will support BA, and do anything you can to protect your health......this stuff ain't for sissies...

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Old 06-03-2016, 05:07 AM
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Can't wait to get my yellow walk around vest. If our safety is so important, let's address the ESC's latest.
While I'm certainly not arguing with you, I am glad to see them finally issue reflective vests. And yes, I served in the military and their ridiculous reflective belt policy (including requirements to wear them on walkways far away from any vehicle traffic).

Most of us would probably agree the most vulnerable we feel on any regular flight is the night sort walkaround in Memphis. The lobster-eyeball one-eye-for-the-jet,one-eye-for-the-tug-about-to-hit-me cringe. We've all seen the crazy way vehicles are driven and the near-crashes almost every night. I welcome the vest that helps me be highlighted. Won't change my eyeball technique- but anything helps. Surprised it took them this long.
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Old 06-03-2016, 05:37 AM
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While I'm certainly not arguing with you, I am glad to see them finally issue reflective vests. And yes, I served in the military and their ridiculous reflective belt policy (including requirements to wear them on walkways far away from any vehicle traffic).

Most of us would probably agree the most vulnerable we feel on any regular flight is the night sort walkaround in Memphis. The lobster-eyeball one-eye-for-the-jet,one-eye-for-the-tug-about-to-hit-me cringe. We've all seen the crazy way vehicles are driven and the near-crashes almost every night. I welcome the vest that helps me be highlighted. Won't change my eyeball technique- but anything helps. Surprised it took them this long.
You assume they are looking! You could wear flashing lights and have a siren and still get ran over in MEM! 😡
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Old 06-03-2016, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackKnight
While I'm certainly not arguing with you, I am glad to see them finally issue reflective vests. And yes, I served in the military and their ridiculous reflective belt policy (including requirements to wear them on walkways far away from any vehicle traffic).

Most of us would probably agree the most vulnerable we feel on any regular flight is the night sort walkaround in Memphis. The lobster-eyeball one-eye-for-the-jet,one-eye-for-the-tug-about-to-hit-me cringe. We've all seen the crazy way vehicles are driven and the near-crashes almost every night. I welcome the vest that helps me be highlighted. Won't change my eyeball technique- but anything helps. Surprised it took them this long.
And I am not anti vest. I am unconvinced they are anything more than eyewash. Certainly there is a study somewhere identifying the trend for pilot strikes per 1000 walk arounds with and without a vest.
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Hey Cloud, et al......

Ok, after two RVN tours living with Agent Orange, I followed it with 30 years at Purple......I've now had 3 separate primary cancers....btw, the first was diagnosed 2 days after my retirement.

I'm not looking for sympathy, or any boo hoos, but a hope that you folks will support BA, and do anything you can to protect your health......this stuff ain't for sissies...

Fraternally,
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Very sorry to hear that you've gone through that FedElta. But of course glad to know you've made it through the fight.

Agreed, this stuff ain't for sissies.

I knew that radiation, pressurization cycles, etc., were part of the job - but the ESC's comm on what we are being/have been exposed to is overwhelming, and seriously concerning. Among other items, does anyone know why HEPA filters have been removed from all fleets except for 777? Is there any other reason other than cost savings?This seems absolutely UNSAT. The "illustrious 4" suing our union should forget that frivolous nonsense, and take the ESC's findings as the real issue at hand.
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Old 06-03-2016, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor
I knew that radiation, pressurization cycles, etc., were part of the job - but the ESC's comm on what we are being/have been exposed to is overwhelming, and seriously concerning. Among other items, does anyone know why HEPA filters have been removed from all fleets except for 777? Is there any other reason other than cost savings?This seems absolutely UNSAT.


The exact question I, and am sure others had. I'm going to do some research on what HEPA filters do, then email BA and ask.
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
You assume they are looking! You could wear flashing lights and have a siren and still get ran over in MEM!


Vests, like traffic lights, aren't brick walls. Never said they were. All I'm saying is it can only help.
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor
Very sorry to hear that you've gone through that FedElta. But of course glad to know you've made it through the fight.

Agreed, this stuff ain't for sissies.

I knew that radiation, pressurization cycles, etc., were part of the job - but the ESC's comm on what we are being/have been exposed to is overwhelming, and seriously concerning. Among other items, does anyone know why HEPA filters have been removed from all fleets except for 777? Is there any other reason other than cost savings?This seems absolutely UNSAT. The "illustrious 4" suing our union should forget that frivolous nonsense, and take the ESC's findings as the real issue at hand.
I also am sorry to hear you've had to suffer through that. It really bothers me how many of our pilots seem to have to deal with these sort of problems, as it seems that the statistics are far higher than the norm. Of course, neither the union nor the company keeps track. Reading what we're exposed to makes me wonder if that's the reason why. I would really like the hear the reason for removing the HEPA filters also.
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Originally Posted by BlackKnight
Vests, like traffic lights, aren't brick walls. Never said they were. All I'm saying is it can only help.
Which is why they should be voluntary until proven that they help.
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Old 06-03-2016, 07:24 AM
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The exact question I, and am sure others had. I'm going to do some research on what HEPA filters do, then email BA and ask.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/181806963779?_mwBanner=1

This should help nail down the parts cost if they are not installed in the 757s. I do not know if these are HEPA or not and I have have no proof one way or the other if they are currently in use.
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