Capitulate
10-15-2015, 03:40 PM
#41
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: MD-11
Posts: 395
You HAVE GOT to be kidding me~
[I kind of want to ask if your office off of Hacks Cross has a window, just to see how far up the chain of command you ACTUALLY are, but I will officially not ask that question]
ALPA is a hugely financed union run by airline pilots and FOR airline pilots. They have the best influence in congress of any pilot group, and the press knows them well. We would be HORRIDLY amiss to discuss leaving this group!
....unless you are the COMPANY.
I don't think you are, but I DO think you are scary naive (!) if you think that some sort of independent union can fight off the hordes of labor attorneys that Fedex employs. Alpa leaves a bit to be desired, but it is by FAR our best shot!
[I kind of want to ask if your office off of Hacks Cross has a window, just to see how far up the chain of command you ACTUALLY are, but I will officially not ask that question]
ALPA is a hugely financed union run by airline pilots and FOR airline pilots. They have the best influence in congress of any pilot group, and the press knows them well. We would be HORRIDLY amiss to discuss leaving this group!
....unless you are the COMPANY.
I don't think you are, but I DO think you are scary naive (!) if you think that some sort of independent union can fight off the hordes of labor attorneys that Fedex employs. Alpa leaves a bit to be desired, but it is by FAR our best shot!
Naive? Don't think so! You think the ALPA lawyers have done well against the company paid attorneys from Ford & Harrison? You think the ALPA lawyers have been successful with grievances? You think our union has spent our money wisely over the past four years? You think ALPA has successfully represented cargo pilots over the past ten years?
Maybe it is you who is naive?!
ALPA is a bloated, self-interested group of non-flying pilots who routinely exploit us, spending our hard earned money, and giving not much more than excuse after excuse why they cannot achieve what we ask of them. Then many of them run off to become managers, working against the very crew members they used to "support."
By far, the two most successful pilots unions are in house unions: American and SouthWest. They don't suffer from the bloated bureaucracy and distorted agendas of a national blood sucking group like ALPA.
This TA, on top of all the other issues over the past ten years (cargo cut out, liberal PAC, anti-general aviation, etc), ought to be enough for this pilot group to dump ALPA!
Organize cargo pilots into our own union that will represent cargo pilot interests.
10-15-2015, 04:10 PM
#43
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Two Wheeler FrontSeat
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With that said, did I say something wrong or offended you in any way?
10-15-2015, 05:35 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,838
By far, the two most successful pilots unions are in house unions: American and SouthWest. They don't suffer from the bloated bureaucracy and distorted agendas of a national blood sucking group like ALPA.
This TA, on top of all the other issues over the past ten years (cargo cut out, liberal PAC, anti-general aviation, etc), ought to be enough for this pilot group to dump ALPA!
Organize cargo pilots into our own union that will represent cargo pilot interests.
This TA, on top of all the other issues over the past ten years (cargo cut out, liberal PAC, anti-general aviation, etc), ought to be enough for this pilot group to dump ALPA!
Organize cargo pilots into our own union that will represent cargo pilot interests.
10-15-2015, 06:47 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: "Part of the problem." : JL
Posts: 1,056
I've met a couple of Yes voters.
One really sticks out.
He's 64 and change and literally said to me "there is no way if this is voted down that there will be a new TA before I hit 65. I don't even care what's in this TA I just want my signing bonus and DSA buy back and then I'm out of here."
You have to worry about how many guys like that are out there.
One really sticks out.
He's 64 and change and literally said to me "there is no way if this is voted down that there will be a new TA before I hit 65. I don't even care what's in this TA I just want my signing bonus and DSA buy back and then I'm out of here."
You have to worry about how many guys like that are out there.
10-15-2015, 07:21 PM
#46
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 360
Capitulate
I assumed (sadly) about everyone age 59 (maybe even 57) or older had this attitude.
I've been surprised to see some who don't feel this way, actually. Those guys are uplifting and understand the thought of bringing the whole profession along, rather than only thinking of themselves.
I've been surprised to see some who don't feel this way, actually. Those guys are uplifting and understand the thought of bringing the whole profession along, rather than only thinking of themselves.
10-15-2015, 09:49 PM
#47
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10-15-2015, 09:52 PM
#48
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10-16-2015, 04:33 AM
#49
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 1,804
I've met a couple of Yes voters.
One really sticks out.
He's 64 and change and literally said to me "there is no way if this is voted down that there will be a new TA before I hit 65. I don't even care what's in this TA I just want my signing bonus and DSA buy back and then I'm out of here."
You have to worry about how many guys like that are out there.
One really sticks out.
He's 64 and change and literally said to me "there is no way if this is voted down that there will be a new TA before I hit 65. I don't even care what's in this TA I just want my signing bonus and DSA buy back and then I'm out of here."
You have to worry about how many guys like that are out there.
He was then surprised to learn how substandard they were. SMH
10-16-2015, 06:10 AM
#50
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