FDXLAG

Can only be 2 wide according to the NC. So an RJ or business.

CloudSailor

Where is that in the TA? There's a lot of blue in Section 8, but I can't find what you reference.

FDXLAG

Hence my according to the NC clause.

Q: How does the “lie flat seat” work in Section 8?
A: A Flat Bed Seat is defined in the new Section 8 as “a seat on a commercial deadhead carrier that when fully reclined is greater than 175 degrees” (p. 113). We agreed that a Flat Bed Seat would satisfy the higher class of service provisions in Section 8 (Section 8.A.5.c.i. on p. 119). With the enhanced opportunity for fatigue mitigation that a Flat Bed would provide, we believe this was a smart “give” in Section 8 for the rolling deviation bank, 2 looks at the “accepted fares,” and expansion of the higher class of service, along with other improvements in Section 8. Most US flag carriers have moved to Flat Bed seating in business, as well as first class if they have three class service. In addition, getting 3 seats in one row does not meet the definition of Flat Bed.

GetRealDude

Our CEO interviewed by the Wall Street Journal:

The worst thing about things that fly is that they hit the ground in an uncontrolled manner.’
—Fred Smith, FedEx Corp.

Really? Maybe an analysis of our worldwide operations that generate $125 million PER DAY MINIMUM should have an impact on our CEOs impression of daily revenues.

You must be kidding me. This is an absolute executive slap in the face. We are the highest revenue per pilot force in the entire industry worldwide. Period. End of story.

Talk about a disconnect from reality. Once again with all due respect, FS is a pioneer in this industry and it's undisputed. However, this commentary is insulting and an indicator of our corporate value and perceived worth at the executive level.

Personally, I just flew the most challenging approach to absolute minimums ... International, Cat 2 manual landing. I've been trained by fantastic instructors and I can guarantee the landing was performed in an exemplary, controllable manner.

I'm not qualified to lead a corporation the size of FedEx but I can damn well guarantee you I'm qualified to land anywhere in the world in a controllable manner. I also generate a ridiculous per flight amount of revenue. I will not apologize for nor accept anything less than a proper level of compensation and benefits for which I'm dispatched to perform my duties and skills as an international wide body Captain. I have my role and FS has his. The chain of command is clear and unquestioned from my end. But, do not marginalize my skill or contribution to this company.

busdriver12

^^Well, at least quote Fred Smith in context. He was discussing drones. You don't want to defend drones, do you? However, apparently the plan is for us to eventually be replaced by drones, so not so good. Here is the full quote:

"Mr. Smith said he expects more technological advances to come to the transportation industry, including autopilot for trucks and other safety features that should make operations safer.

Drones will also be used at some point, but he said there are significant safety concerns that must be addressed first.

“I think it’s a great idea to use drones, and I think they will be used,” Mr. Smith said. But he cautioned that the devices are potentially lethal. “The worst thing about things that fly…is that they hit the ground in an uncontrolled manner.”

GetRealDude

I accept that in context.

Either way, FS had the opportunity to express his appreciation and acknowledgement of the 4200+ professional pilots on this property that get the job done everyday of the calendar year across the globe. He did not express that sentiment. Wouldn't have cost him a nickel, but it was right in front of him. Didn't happen. What does that tell you? He could have said he is proud of the entire workforce and the pilots specifically for their efforts across the planet. That would have probably purchased some in house cooperation and pride. Again, it didn't happen. It speaks volumes my friend. Wake up to the reality of the current dynamic.

Drones notwithstanding, you can be a FDX apologist or get in the game for the only team you have brother. I make no apologies nor am I concerned about a drone. Maybe the delivery personnel should be concerned. Not me.

busdriver12

It would be nice to be acknowledged and appreciated, however, I don't need nor expect a pat on the back every time the CEO does an interview. I don't express my gratitude every time I talk to someone about FedEx, nor will I thank the CEO in my retirement FCIF. He doesn't need my gratitude either.


I am not concerned about drones either, I think they are in the very distant future. However, there are enough real things to be concerned about with this TA that we don't have to create situations where they don't exist.

CloudSailor

How will "according to the NC" work out for us, when in arbitration? Obviously rhetorical.

With the astounding losing record against the company in arbitration cases, even when the language is actually in the CBA, we do not stand a chance by thinking 'according to the NC_____, or the Q&A said_____'.

The only section of your post that I could find in the TA is the definition of a flat bed seat: “a seat on a commercial deadhead carrier that when fully reclined is greater than 175 degrees” (p. 113). The rest of your post, even what you highlighted in red, is according to the NC and the Q&A, there is no language for that.

FDXLAG

Not up to me to call them liars, you can if you want. Sounds like you want.

GetRealDude

Just to clarify if I may ... I do not need any acknowledgement from anyone in management or at the executive level to do my job as a professional. I've already said you can keep the BZs and the hollow thank you letters post peak.

I simply find it interesting and quite telling that our founder rarely acknowledges the efforts of our front line employees in a genuine way. Just my observation but FDX has simply outgrown the tight knit group of corporate loyalty in both directions. It's simply become the norm in corporate America and globally for that matter. It is what it is.

I think back to coaches and family members that encouraged me and motivated me through the years. It didn't cost anything and it showed genuine support. I personally don't need it from anyone except immediately family. It's a great thing to be appreciated for your efforts.

Children light up with encouragement and support from Mom and Dad.

Military men and women lay down their lives for a common goal and a belief in their leaders throughout history.

You can minimalize the importance or use sarcasm to break down my views. I'm simply saying our efforts on behalf of the company are nothing more than a necessary cost center. We have the unique skills and the paychecks come 2x a month. That's it.

Wouldn't it be an amazing place to work if everyone was on the same page, pushing the company to new heights, and sharing in the success. The reality is far from that description. I can deal with that. As long as that's how it's going to be, then fine.

Show me the freakin' money. Keep your accolades and plaques. Fight for what you're worth and don't apologize for it.

And most of all, don't be intimidated by what comes next if this TA is voted down. I think we can handle the time and resolve it takes to get it done right.