What are the Top 10 TA Issues that need Fixin
10-03-2015, 01:28 PM
#51
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Seatguru.com does not trump our TA. If the seat does not recline 175 degrees or more, it doesn't matter what the airlines market it as. Period. That is why "175 degrees" is in our TA. If all the TA said was "lie flat seat" you'd have a point. But it doesn't. So regardless of what Seatguru says...you don't.
We are completely mis-communicating here. Our TA says 175 degrees, I AGREE WITH YOU. But, if an airline markets it as 180 degrees in its documentation, and it is ANGLED, do you not think that would stand in arbitration, against us?
I repeat: Clear, unambiguous language on a fully horizontal seat should not have been that hard to add, do you agree?
10-03-2015, 01:29 PM
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Seatguru.com does not trump our TA. If the seat does not recline 175 degrees or more, it doesn't matter what the airlines market it as. Period. That is why "175 degrees" is in our TA. If all the TA said was "lie flat seat" you'd have a point. But it doesn't. So regardless of what Seatguru says...you don't.
If this is what the TA "hinges on" (YES PUN INTENDED) we are really worried about the wrong stuff. Even though I'll most likely vote yes....My real concern is with retirement and healthcare.
10-03-2015, 01:38 PM
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) with the company lawyers and our arbitration record against them. Why was FULLY HORIZONTAL not added to the language? Agreed (except for the yes part).
10-03-2015, 01:45 PM
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Seatguru.com does not trump our TA. If the seat does not recline 175 degrees or more, it doesn't matter what the airlines market it as. Period. That is why "175 degrees" is in our TA. If all the TA said was "lie flat seat" you'd have a point. But it doesn't. So regardless of what Seatguru says...you don't.
I will be carrying a protractor.
10-03-2015, 01:47 PM
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Man, I feel like I'm banging my head against a Rock.
We are completely mis-communicating here. Our TA says 175 degrees, I AGREE WITH YOU. But, if an airline markets it as 180 degrees in its documentation, and it is ANGLED, do you not think that would stand in arbitration, against us?
I repeat: Clear, unambiguous language on a fully horizontal seat should not have been that hard to add, do you agree?
We are completely mis-communicating here. Our TA says 175 degrees, I AGREE WITH YOU. But, if an airline markets it as 180 degrees in its documentation, and it is ANGLED, do you not think that would stand in arbitration, against us?
I repeat: Clear, unambiguous language on a fully horizontal seat should not have been that hard to add, do you agree?
I simply suggest that you don't rely on what Seatguru says. Look it up yourself. It's not their TA. It's ours.
10-03-2015, 01:56 PM
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But, in light of how pax carriers have marketed the angled seats, and the confusion this has caused those ****ed-off passengers, do you agree or disagree that clear language on a FULLY HORIZONTAL lie flat bed would not have been hard to introduce into the TA's definitions section?
10-03-2015, 02:07 PM
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I completely agree, SeatGuru is irrelevant. But, airlines did market those angles seats as 180 degrees. They are horrible seats, and pax carriers have lost business because of that marketing. Bad choice on my part, to base it completely on SeatGuru.
But, in light of how pax carriers have marketed the angled seats, and the confusion this has caused those ****ed-off passengers, do you agree or disagree that clear language on a FULLY HORIZONTAL lie flat bed would not have been hard to introduce into the TA's definitions section?
But, in light of how pax carriers have marketed the angled seats, and the confusion this has caused those ****ed-off passengers, do you agree or disagree that clear language on a FULLY HORIZONTAL lie flat bed would not have been hard to introduce into the TA's definitions section?
10-03-2015, 02:18 PM
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It is obvious, and this goes for me too, that the more decided we are on a particular path we have chosen, the harder it is to consider any aspect that contradicts that choice. We become personally invested in our decision, and do not want to question it, nor allow others to point at why our choice can be questionable.
10-03-2015, 02:42 PM
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Well, if you end up flying head down and blood rushes to your head, then you ought to tell the guys upfront that the probably need to add a couple of knots to Vapp to get the arrow back in the AOA box on final.
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