Viper446

Well, everybody has their idea of what is, "The right thing" to do when it comes to extra work. Is it draft, MUS, protect carryover? I'm not making excuses for anyone. I just know talking to guys, there are different views on whats right. I know guys who bid reserve and reserve carryover and protect it. They usually don't end up flying more, but they do get paid more. This is Anc base only. I recently flew with an FO who told me a Memphis FO is making their high five as an FO and the FO I was flying with thought that was OK. He felt anything but draft was fine.

RedeyeAV8r

Like PTB just said, "Prime example of what is wrong with this pilot group.

busdriver12

Maybe so. Another oddly curious thing to me is when I listen to people who were in aircraft that were not affected by 4.A.2.b, criticizing people in aircraft that were affected by it, for trying to bring their month back up to a normal line value. BLG's were very low for some of us, but I never heard about pilots in unaffected aircraft dropping 20-25 hours every bidmonth during the affected time period, in support of the rest of us, to match our ultra low BLGs. Anyone do that?

iarapilot

Some more rationalization. Simply unbelievable.

busdriver12

? That's interesting. Here's a question for you. Were you in an aircraft that was affected by 4.A.2.b? If so, would you criticize people in your seat position that traded their 60 hour line up twelve hours? Did you ever trade up or do a makeup trip during that time? And if you weren't in an aircraft that was affected, did you drop 20-25 hours every month, in solidarity with your under utilized brothers and sisters?

If you can't see the hypocrisy in complaining about people with low BLG's trading up, while you are unaffected, I guess I have no way to explain it to you.

All last summer, I saw people working three out of every four weeks, and many who had recently closed their schedules. Some of whom I flew with, who acted like they were hard core willing to do what it whatever it took to get a contract. I suppose some may just see it as a difference of opinion, however, I see it as hypocrisy.

TonyC

It's so easy to point to others' hypocrisy to distract attention from yourself. I think that's a tactic we learned as, what, 2-year-olds? Did you eat the cupcake? [With icing on face, pointing at sister] But she ate the ice cream!

The Company believes it's OK to remain in §4.A.2.b. while pilots are on furlough. So, if The Company furloughs 50 pilots, and you're in a seat position that's affected, would you be OK with flying extra while your fellow pilots were on the street? Would you feel better flying extra as long as other hypocrites were doing the same thing?






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busdriver12

Gee, okay, Tony, whatever you say. I'm not quite sure what it was I said that was offensive. I personally have no problem with my fellow crewmembers who built up their low paying lines a little. I did not, but not as a moral imperative, but because I flew very low hours for many years. I'm not sure why you would have a problem with that, so I ask the same questions to you,
" Were you in an aircraft that was affected by 4.A.2.b? If so, would you criticize people in your seat position that traded their 60 hour line up twelve hours? Did you ever trade up or do a makeup trip during that time? And if you weren't in an aircraft that was affected, did you drop 20-25 hours every month, in solidarity with your under utilized brothers and sisters?"

Are you willing to answer that?

And to answer your question, not only would I not fly extra during a furlough, I would drop as many trips as humanly possible. I have been furloughed, and would do whatever it takes to have my fellow FedEx pilots not be. I know how crappy it feels.

RedeyeAV8r

Can't speak to what others did. I was Junior on the MD. Does that count?

TonyC

Yes, I was in a seat that was affected, and to top things off, I was excessed to a lower-paying seat. I did not use Bid Line adjustment tools to fly more because I believe we could have been out of §4.A.2.b. in 2 months if everyone else had done the same. I am critical of people whose actions accrue to our detriment. I was taught before kindergarten that two wrongs do not make a right, so pointing out the existence of hypocrites has never been a justification for doing wrong myself.


I was also taught that good leaders lead by example, and I couldn't in good conscience justify writing to my constituents about their §4.A.2.b. pain while I was padding my own paycheck.


You asked, "Why would anyone care if someone flew makeup during 4.A.2.b?" Short answer: Because it hurt us.






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iarapilot

Thanks Tony. You said it for me. I probably would have just commented, again, "Unbelievable!"

I guess there are some that dont, or just refuse, to get it. If one cant understand that 4a2b would have been a lot shorter if one just worked as scheduled, there is no hope.