busdriver12

Ha! I still don't think I could talk them into management, at any salary.

My kids, who are very bright (intelligence obviously skipped a generation in this family), think it's unlikely they will ever make the kind of income that I do. In fact, my youngest just admitted that he would really love to fly, but he's not willing to put in the work to get there. Maybe he'll change his mind after he's out in the real world.

But my vote, I think, will not be based upon pay issues, or what might be optimal for the kid in flight school, or because we gotta beat Delta or American. It will be based upon the overall package that is offered to us, with QOL being my top issue. I do not believe it is selfish to consider what is best for one's family, as if that's not your top priority, well......good luck staying married!

Rock

You are assuming that I am not intelligent enough to read the TA and determine for myself whether the positives outweigh the negatives for me and my family. You are assuming that every deal a person ever cuts in life is 100% positive for them. You are assuming that my self worth has anything at all to do with what my pay statement says. And you are assuming that "my negotiating committee speaks for me" never meant that I hired them to do my negotiating, and that once they were done I would decide whether or not I thought they did a good job.

All of your assumptions in those areas are 100% wrong. Don't feel bad though. You don't know me. You just arrogantly assume you know what is best for me. I don't know you either, but given what I do know about your assumptions and what seems to be important to you, I'd almost be willing to pay you to NOT have input in my life. Instead, I simply ask that you don't vote on my behalf. I have a great life. I've never looked at FedEx or my professional flying as anything other than a means of paying my bills. My self worth will never be properly reflected in a contract. Ever. I feel sorry for you that yours is. Really. I imagine it is hard for someone like you to ever be truly happy. With anything. But...that isn't my problem to solve for you. And I'm not going to stroke my own ego by claiming I'm trying. I will vote for me. And if you have any integrity at all, you will admit that ultimately you will be voting for you.

Rock

In all your posts, you've never really demonstrated an understanding of logic, so I'm not surprised you are as confused as ever.
I'll try to simplify it for you. I belong to a union that has asked (indirectly) that we fly the contract while they negotiate a new contract. So I do. No DPs. No draft. Nothing that will inhibit them from doing the work I pay them to do. Now my union has asked me to vote on the TA they negotiated based on whether or not I approve of it. So I am. After taking a hard look at it, my vote is yes. But I respect someone else taking the same hard look and voting no. We are both fulfilling the requirements of what our union has asked us to do.
You may be able to convince yourself that you are voting for a greater cause. I am simply telling you that you probably aren't bright enough to vote on behalf of anyone but yourself. So please do that. That is currently what our union has asked us all to do.

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2dogs

You spend way too much time on the internet. There's gotta be more to life.

busdriver12

Jeez, you sound like my mother, who is always telling people what they should or should not do. Maybe I should ask her how to vote, seeing as everyone else has instructed us as to what we should do.

Rock

Curse of the iPhone. I won't get too worried about it until I spend so much time on the internet that I can make WAGs about the Internet usage of people I've never met before. 😏

iarapilot

Thanks for the simplification. Just what I needed.

I stand by my previous post.

PolicyWonk

Rock, Rock
You need to wind the clock.

Caution. I think this is poor form on your part. And poor CRM.

Look at your words here. Ponder whether you'd say this to your captain, or, when you upgrade, to your FO?

"You may be able to convince yourself that you are voting for a greater cause. I am simply telling you that you probably aren't bright enough to vote on behalf of anyone but yourself. So please do that."

To the best of my knowledge, I don't know who you are talking to. But it is snarky.

You may have occasion to call me to task for similar remarks in the future, like right now, but you diminish your cause. At least under this pseudonym that you are using. I haven't heard a pilot say this sort of thing on the line. Where did you work before you got hired here?

I'm left with the impression from almost everything you've written that you aren't, in fact, a pilot. Almost everything you've written under this alias, at least. I think you have a few others also.

Are you a lawyer-by-day, attempting to persuade us, pilots-by-night?

We are gutsy, but not cavalier. But, you?

Cowbell

As you can tell from my 15 or so posts I don’t chime in often because usually my position is better stated by someone else. However I’ve got to speak my piece. During my 15 years here at FedEx I was of the opinion that belonging to the union meant “one for all and all for one” – you know, like a union. It was a collective effort by all members to improve the quality of life for the group as a whole. After reading Albie’s dissertation on why he’s voting “Yes” on the TA I realize I was wrong. The sentence that opened my eyes was toward the bottom, “I think I will make more money, both long and short term, if we secure gains and move on…” Okay got it. I shouldn’t vote on whether I think this TA benefits the overall pilot group, but just me. Here I was not flying extra, not taking draft calls, not selling back vacation, and even going slightly in the hole and not doing make up. How naive. I thought I was supporting our pilot group as a whole by doing that, when really it should have been all about me. I’ve learned my lesson. Six or eight years from now I’ll be the guy sucking up the draft and flying my butt off and when someone asks me why I’m going to say, “I think I will make more money, both long and short term”.
Personally I could live with this TA. I live in MEM, don’t fly international, and I’ll have a military reserve retirement when I turn 60. But I’m a NO vote because I don’t think this contract does justice to our group as a whole. Well, that is I was until I read Albie’s post and all the great “Atta boys” he’s gotten. Now I’m not to sure.