matty

Dude...you cannot honestly say this is a "concessionary contract." Ask Delta, American, United, et al. what a concessionary contract is.

Positives:
-We kept our A-fund.
-B-fund improvements.
-Kept the A-fund for new hires.
-Doubled new-hire pay.
-New hires at $100 per hour in FDA's.
-Kept out PBS.
-Kept the buy-up.
-Pay raises at the top of the industry.
-Pay for moving R-day.
-No late call for RB.
-VTO's have a say on what to do with vacation, etc.
-Second look for VTO inputs. No more bidding on trips that CIC's take.
-No involuntary conversions for R lines.
-Transparency for a multitude of areas...including VTO's.
-Proffering trips.
-Two looks at fares.
-Deviation banks that encompass 2 months.
-International override increase.
-4.a.2.b fixes.
-1 CH for 2 hours of CBT's.
-C/O hours in ITU go into M/U bank.
-Paid for training in current month.
-Extra bid period to use PMU.
-AM O/B blocks in after 1015 gets paid.
-Catering improvements.
-2 active reservations for deviation allowed.
-$$$ for cnx hotels.
-$$$ for upgrading economy fares.
-$150 vice $100 surface d/h allowed without fleet captain approval.
-$375 vice $100 for airport parking.
-Check-in to hotel 2 days prior...assuming you have the bank and at contract rate.
-LCA and Flex pay bumps.
-Extended in field now 36/84 vice 48/96.
-Night duty limits decreased by :30.
-Green and yellow status for R-days.
-Ability to see who's on reserve no matter whether you're on reserve or not.
-Swapping same trip footprint.
-Out of order R-day assignments now 60 hours vice 50 hours.
-Out of order assignments now use the reasonable man theory.
-Layover in other than your original city...gets you paid.
-DSA buyback...big hurdles to get this, but still a plus.

Negatives:
-6 week bid period...but, we asked for it?
-Lie flat seats.
-No hotel for less than 5 hours...but, have to have enough rooms available. I personally would rather sleep in the hub than go to a hotel...just me though.
-18 hour check-in for intercontinental.
-Hotel bank cap. For life? For the year?
-Passover pay. But...monthly training bids.
-8-24 relief on day side.
-Sleep cans on 767? Need FAA approval.
-No sub trip rejected within 4 hours of showtime. Have to "show your cards" early.
-No A-plan improvements.

Yup...very concessionary.

matty

FDXLAG...I have very much disagreed with you on a myriad of issues (STV being one...you were wrong...it's okay to admit it...). 100% agree on this one.

matty

Sorry for replying to so many posts in such a short period...I swore I was going to avoid this board...I made it about 4 days. So, I gotta catch up...

FDXAV8R

We are making record profits and revenue. On what grounds was our A fund ever at risk. Why is keeping a benefit we already have a win. Allowing it to continue to lose it's value to inflation is a huge concession. Just because it cost money and it is inconvenient for the company's books doesn't make me support the company eventually getting rid of it. If they keep it capped eventually it will have such little value they will be able to buy it from us for next to nothing.

Why do we need to give up anything. We are already working more legs with shorter layovers. No more city purity, almost no weekend layovers, unreasonable deadheads and deadhead banks, multiple trip extensions and revisions. Plus management has become adversarial with the crew force.

Remember we are coming out of the worst recession since the great depression. During this same time our company remained profitable and we saw profits almost quadruple. Giving up any work rules is concessionary. Read your union history you don't negotiate work rules EVER!!!
Ask UPS how the 767 sleep can promise worked out for them. It didn't they trusted management and got screwed.
The company will exploit all the concessions we give them just as they always have.
They can use company jumpseats on a limited basis. What do you think is going to happen with this over time. Lots of company jumpseats.
Reduction in class of service. What do you think is going to happen with this over time. Soon it will be Business if available.
Dash-8 intra Europe deadheads. Soon we will be doing this anywhere.
Paying $25 for every ticketing change. What's next paying for linens for your sleep room and using your deadhead bank money for extra sodas in your catering.

With record revenues, profits, huge management bonuses, buying companies, buying planes, building new facilities left and right, and oil has been stable around $40 a barrel, age 65 gives them 5 more years of work and 5 years less to pay out of our A funds. You are right genius it is obvious FedEx can't afford:
1) to give us more than a cost of living pay raise
2) to protect the value of my retirement (uncap the A fund)
3) to protect the value of my benefits (why am I paying more for the same benefits)
4) to improve work rules and leave the rest alone.

The company wants a decade long deal because they know it won't be long before one of these companies that has been bankrupt for a decade will get a better contract than we have.

You keep eating crumbs, trusting management, bleeding purple and watching your QOL erode from underneath you. I used to feel the same why but eventually you learn. Remember the union has a big budget we provide them to sell this deal. Just because they have fancy slides and great talking points doesn't make them right. They sound like used car salesmen or snake oil salesmen. Some of these clowns haven't been a line pilot in more than a decade. They need to spend a year or two back living the schedule and QOL they are responsible for giving us. I'm voting NO.

CloudSailor

I guess I just have to laugh as I see people on here selling this TA, and continuing to compare our TA, to the contracts SHOVED DOWN pax airline's throats during Chapter 11 bankruptcies. The spin, as per the road show video, does nothing for me after I waited 3.5 hours for a drop request Crew Notification "DISAPPROVED, insufficient reserves", with nothing in open time for those days. I'm glad we have addressed this very small, yet huge QOL issue in the TA (not!).

matty

It's a good thing you're voting no. I'm sure this wouldn't help you out with your drop:

Section 25
14. Proffer and Acquire in Open Time
a. Proffer
A pilot shall have the ability to proffer a trip(s) in open time for pickup.
The proffer shall designate whether the activity is:
i. make-up eligible; or
ii. a trip pickup as provided in Section 25.L.10.

busdriver12

I think I remember someone saying that the trip proffer was a concession. The fact that it helped the company (since if people can give away a trip, they might not call in sick), automatically must make it a concession.

Right.....

FDXLAG

Cloud I really am not trying to sell this. I certainly am not trying to convince anyone to vote yes as hard as others are trying for the no vote. Mine was a serious question that for some reason no one will answer. The MEC gets hammered for saying this is an industry leading TA and everyone scoffs, but no one can say who has a better contract. I know I wouldn't want to work with SW work rules can't say I know enough about the others. But PBS sure sounds like it sucks.

I guarantee that if the vote is no, I wont punch any walls or kick the dog. Not so sure about some of the no posters.

The Walrus

When I read about this TA all that I can think about is what my father would be saying to me if he were still with us. First, he would slap me across the right side of my face with a Mike Tyson speed of slap and say, "Did I raise you to be a naive pilot who trusts this large corporation with you family's welfare? Then he would say, son, it is your responsibility to read and study that piece of paper that you are fixing to sign in blood and decide whether you are worth what they are offering and whether you trust their signature in their blood as being true." Pop, I don't trust them.

CloudSailor

I don't need to ask them, I have been there. THEY DID NOT VOTE IN those concessionary contracts, they were FORCED to live under them while they had to give up their A-plan, work rules, and more, due to Chapter 11 bankruptcies.

You have it backwards, THEY are the ones asking ME why we have even brought this TA up for a vote, one in which we negotiate away work rules (that we will never get back), during our company's tremendous financial success during the last 15 years.

As to the rest of your post, thank your for the synopsis of the roadshow video, I did watch it myself already though.

Maybe consider adding to your 'negatives' column the fact that this TA will only be with us 6-10 years. It should have been a 15-20 years, now THAT would be industry leading!