DLax85

These two....x10.

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DLax

FTv3

Well, you’re kind of doing the same thing. Had you done your internet research on our extensions with the intention of objectively understanding all the circumstances and effects instead of cherry-picking bullet points to support your own narrative, you’d know the multitude of reasons we had for both extensions. But you don’t. Just like you accuse the IPA of setting the bar low whilst seemingly being unaware of who has been at the bottom of the contract/pay totem pole out of the big 5 for the last X number of years. IPA ain’t your problem buddy, but your divided membership is. I wouldn’t be wasting my time arguing with some loudmouth from another pilot group talking smack, but you do you. Either way, as I’ve said, the IPA is hoping you guys get the contract you deserve - industry leading, no concessions.

Merle Haggard

Please don't engage with our village idiot. Whoever was in charge of watching him today let him get out. They will be reprimanded. In the meantime please try not to look him in the eyes or give him sugar or caffeine.

JustInFacts

So what prompted this repsonse when you already responded after I posted what you quoted? Was it the fact that I pointed out that your first extension came out before COVID was a big deal even though you stated it was a reason for your extensions?

You say that you guys did us no favors, but aren't our problem. You also mention in a previous post that pattern bargaining would be easier for you if the pax carriers raised the bar because you had no leverage. It sounds like you wanted others to do the fighting for you and then ride their coat tails. What if Fedex inked an extension this month that had the top pay rate at $425 and increased our retirement with 3% pay rate increases each year through 2029. That would put our top rate in 2029 higher than Delta's. That is effectively what UPS did. Would you say that any push from UPS to barely surpass the rates we agreed to wouldn't be an obsticle for you? Would you point fingers at us for not raising the bar?

Why do the loudmouths from UPS seem to feel a need to come over to the Fedex boards to try to point fingers?

FXLAX

We are a luaughing stock on scope, among other things. Although most pilots are curteous enough to not acutally laugh in our faces. I haven't any RJs being added to mainline. The DAL/UAL scope puts a finite number on them. So if you are reading about additional RJs, its because some other regional lost them. So far as bad as you perceive mainline scope to be, they are way ahead of where we are. They are at least a couple of rounds ahead of us. We are where they were in 1990, when RJs started to hit the scene. Now we have our outsourcing issues starting to hit our airline. Its the same thing that happened at Alaska but luckily they had new union leadership understand the threat and has recntly started implementing negotiated scope changes in their last couple of cycles.

As for 20k in freight? What, are we too good to fly 737s? Why aren't we flying 737s? Because of our scope issues. That's what other pilots laugh about! What other US airline is allowed to outsource 737 capacity flying their pilots were doing last month? None

max8222

Yes they have a finite number of RJ's but it is such a high number that it does not really matter. How many 737 or 717 could mainline be flying instead of RJ's to my left, RJ's to my right. I did not even start on code sharing. Book a Delta ticket between US and Paris or Incheon. Bet you half of the choices are on Air France or Korean.

I would fly a caravan around if they paid me enough. Since when does a pilot group tell a company what kind of planes to buy and fly? Never! So telling the company to fly 757 around with 20% loads or telling them they need to buy 737's so we can fly them is never going to happen.

You should tell them we want to fly 747-8 like UPS or maybe pick up some 777-300ER and convert them. I am sure they want to hear your opinion since your are a great key board warrior with incredible business skills.

ClncClarence

So which is it? Are they adding or is it a finite number? I swear some of you guys who’ve not the faintest clue what it’s like to work at a passenger airline just make stuff up to make yourselves feel better. Heard it all the time on the line.

If you don’t think scope is a problem at FedEx you are blind, ignorant, too senior to care, or some combo of all three.

This is literally what scope is about. The hubris and lack of awareness you display in your posts is astonishing.

Oh and before you deflect instead of addressing the issue…

Yes, I left, yes I’m enjoying AA, and I still read these threads because I have friends at FedEx whom I hope continue to fight for a better contract.

UnusualAttitude

Did you type this response from your blackberry? Total RJ's operating in the United States are down nearly 30% from their peak in 2007. In the early years post 9/11/01 airlines were suffering from a lack of passengers and many were on the brink of bankruptcy, they took advantage of desperate pilots and their lack of resolve to shore up scope considering the monumental task at hand and their belief that the airlines they worked for could be facing extinction. The limited number of passengers flying then showed they prefererred frequency options even if it meant flying on an RJ. The dirty little secret is that while RJ's were flown by cheap labor, the RASM was very low and the CASM was very high. RJ's are not terribly effecient when compared to modern narrowbodies flown by mainline. As the passengers returned many cities returned from RJ's to mainline service. Look around, nearly everything you have written about the pax world, scope, and RJ's is either wrong or seriously outdated.

What is your motive? Taking a wild guess, you have seriously mismanaged your retirement savings and you are staring down less than a year before the end of your career. In order to distract from the real concerns that other pilots have you want total focus on the one issue that effects you and you are starting to panic. You've stated on this forum that you look forward to seeing junior pilots furloughed because their legitimate concern about the direction of their careers might have jeapordized your less than inflation adjusted retirement increase in TA1. Your panic is evident and seeing the patience and resolve of the majority of the pilot group has you in a complete tailspin.

Good luck. I am going to fight for your retirement despite the fact that you do not care about my career or the fact that I have a family to feed. Maybe you should have joined in with some of us who begged our MEC leaders not to come to the pilots with TA1, sadly we knew that their misstep was going to cost us time but they wouldn't listen. The bought and paid for MEC/NC failed us all and maybe failed you the most, let's hope not.

max8222

When the number is so high might as well be infinite. If their scope was so awesome they would have a lot less RJ's and no code sharing to airports they have route authority. Delta has Pan Am's route authority in Europe. How many planes do they have flying inter Europe. You are just so beat down from the regional world you think the scraps are they getting is a good deal.

I flew at a regional probably when you mom was changing your diapers. So I know about that world. I know the cost on an RJ are higher per seat mile. Using your logic then why aren't they flying a 737 or 717 on the route? Probably same reason why it doesn't make sense for us to fly a 757 on a route that has light loads. Sure scope matters, everyone has their opinion. Flying DP matters too but I guess only to certain crew members.

Not worried about retirement got plenty. If you are so rich why are you worried about how much I have. Another envious cry baby. Does your neighbor have a Tesla and you are driving a Kia?

I have fought for your career here a since we have had contracts. I know your smart ass come back will be how much we caved on them. Well it was good enough for you to come here.

i will fight for this one too even though you want to throw the senior under the bus.

once again for your poor reading skills, I only mention furlough when one of your brethren slams senior guys. When I say it you all get triggered. Funny when it affects you it's not funny and how can any one say it. So if you wouldn't say it to your the guy sitting next to you then don't say it here.

UnusualAttitude

Mister Max, what you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.