Brownose74

I’m I pointing fingers dude? When your TA was out the whole industry was all eyes on you not to accept that SHT sandwich you were served. Do your self an experiment, to talk to crews of other airlines and see how FedEx is perceived.
you never hear, “ oh poor UPS guys”. You need a dose of reality. We all pattern bargain here. Your TA failed cus it was a travesty to the industry. The meager pay raises and retirement was a joke. Your scope clause is the laughing stock of the world.
I cringe when I see countless brand new shinny FedEx paint jobs on ASL airplanes all over Brussels and cologne. Cringe when you talk to their crews barely making 3K flying 90 hours a month to fly YOUR freight. That’s shameful. And to see people here still defending that TA is beyond sad.
JD is just getting started with destroying your brand. I constantly hear people complain how bad FedEx service is nowadays. Better for us at brown I guess.
we might have had this extensions but so far we are still making money and growing. You? Over staffed up the you know what.
we ain’t worried here, the industry is not looking down on us.
when it’s our turn to vote for our new TA, we will hold the line. We aren’t divided. So far our negotiations seems to be going smoothly, but only time will tell.
I do thank you for turning that crap down, I’m sure it will help us as we dont have to point to that POS to justify our gains later on.

im just laughing here watching insane people like max and you justina, constantly trying to justify how that TA was the best thing since sliced bread. I have great friends at FedEx, and they are working hard to get your pilots what they really deserve. To put FedEx back on top as they deserve to be. Save their jobs from those bottom operators like ASL. I cheer on them! They are volunteers now, brand new guys, helping the cause. Those are the ones I respect and cheer on. Not old geezers like you who didn’t think to play your cards right financially and now want to hang your own out to dry cus you want a lousy and pathetic raise. You don’t care ASL takes your brethren jobs since you are all just about to hang up your headset. Lousy team players, the lot of you.

FTv3

Well, Covid was a huge factor that you’re seemingly forgetting. Also better to pattern bargain off of the legacy’s new contracts than their old ones; we didn’t have the leverage to bring in their numbers had we negotiated so well played imho. UPS made it clear they weren’t sending any of their decision makers to the negotiating table until the teamsters were wrapped up so we could have sat here for the last few years with pay freezes and no retirement bumps looking at a couple of UPS interns playing sudoku at the negotiating table, or take the crumbs and move on. None of us dispute our extensions didn’t do you guys any favors but they didn’t exactly hurt y’all either.

In contrast to Brown’s post above, I’ve had a few things delivered by purple recently and was happy with the experience each time. We are all wishing you guys the best and hope you find yourselves at the top once again.

max8222

Brownstain, Never said TA1 was best ever far from it. Our scope is laughing stock? How many ASL planes flying 20K in freight all over europe feeding our wide bodies. Flying a 757 around with 20k in freight makes good business sense? Glad you are not running UPS would be out of a job fast. Close to 30. How many 757 did we have in europe,8-9? How many 767 are flying over there now? Every day I read how many RJ's are getting added to mainline schedules talk about laughing stock. How many 767 on your CGN ramp every night. How come your 767 are not flying instead? UPS numbers are nothing to brag about either, pretty much lock step with us. Will see how the postal treats you.

Your buddies are probably same ones complaining and picked up our disputed pairings faster than you get a brown stain in your shorts. Glad they need CPAP in our contract, maybe they should stay away from McDonalds.

threeighteen

In fairness, it was only narrow because they rushed to get that steaming turd out to us before a double digit percentage of the pilot group could even vote. Would have been a decisive loss for the screaming minority had everyone on property been eligible to vote.

Now with several of them retired and nearly everyone eligible to vote, the threshold for passing is even higher.

JustInFacts

Thanks for the thoughtful reply FTv3. You say COVID was a factor. Maybe for the second extension, but the first extension was out in very early February 2020. So unless your NC and IPA leadership are clarvoyannt, the first extension presented had nothing to do with COVID. As far as Brownose goes, typical response from someone who has no idea what is going on. Blame and deflect for you own inadiquacies. Attempt to rewrite history and make false statements to attempt to prove your point.

JustInFacts

According to the NC update, there were 396 probationary pilot who were inelligible to vote. Nowhere near a double digit percentage of the pilot group at the time, or now.

max8222

Sure more junior pilots can vote. How many more senior are closer to retirement now? Voted no because they thought they would see a contract withing a year. Now they are in the window of not seeing a contract before they retire. Bet they would have voted differently if they knew that they might not see a contract. Between 95-98 Fedex hired 1000 pilots. A bunch of them have retired but at least 600 are still here and nearing retirement. So don't start counting your shiny pink ponies yet.

From the NC email and MEC video sounds like the A Team is not as tough as they were talking when they took over.

threeighteen

600 guys retiring soon won’t get a TA to pass unless they’re constantly calling their rep telling them that a TA that looks anything similar to TA1.0 is a nonstarter and they want something the junior guys will vote yes on overwhelmingly.

Freighthumper

Fair enough. We would all be a lot better if we stopped pointing fingers at each other and pointed them collectively at management

jetlaggy

As you stated...UPS overwhelmingly voted for something that was best for them. When Fedex overwhelmingly votes for whatever is best for them there can be peace and calm among the ranks.