Rouge MEC Block Reps or no negotiation plan?
09-21-2024, 04:03 PM
#31
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From the new cry baby TC/FB crowd,
We are going to show you how tough we were at the regionals or ACMI (got your asses handed to you)
We want QOL!!! ( you got it 53 hours of credit/work for 85 hours of pay)
Get off my mother lawn! ( as you look out the window of your mothers basement)
We showed the NMB and mediator who's in control (Bahha)
We have leverage!( we did when you were bragging about making $300K on second year flying extra during negotiations)
post filled with you got yours move on and make room for the new tough guys. We want a contract that covers me until I retire in 30 years. I do not care about you and only about me! My mother said I was the best and I can prove it by all of my participation trophies!
Everything you guys post on here in nauseating
We are going to show you how tough we were at the regionals or ACMI (got your asses handed to you)
We want QOL!!! ( you got it 53 hours of credit/work for 85 hours of pay)
Get off my mother lawn! ( as you look out the window of your mothers basement)
We showed the NMB and mediator who's in control (Bahha)
We have leverage!( we did when you were bragging about making $300K on second year flying extra during negotiations)
post filled with you got yours move on and make room for the new tough guys. We want a contract that covers me until I retire in 30 years. I do not care about you and only about me! My mother said I was the best and I can prove it by all of my participation trophies!
Everything you guys post on here in nauseating
09-22-2024, 08:09 AM
#33
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it’s low IQ folks like you who drag down the industry as a whole for your own pathetic little gain. Enjoy the very few years you have left! The industry will be much better off without pilots who ran out of crazy meds.
09-22-2024, 09:56 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 515
Wasting your time with these idiots. They hate Unions and would gladly grab their own ankles and take whatever management gives them, without the lube mind you, because the boomer, establishment, Republican crowd loves to pay for Executive bonuses, stock buy backs, and unbelievably still thinks that management values their contribution.
09-22-2024, 03:30 PM
#35
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Dude...who just created account today:
First...what do you mean by rouge? Are you French and describing the color of your angry emoji or are the MEC members with whom you are obviously disgruntled wearing rouge? Or do you mean "rogue"?
"This direction would be expected as there was a break in negotiations due to the MEC’s decision to prematurely request a Proffer of Arbitration (release from mediation). The National Mediation Board rapidly denied that ineffective decision. Following that decision, the NMB placed our side in a 6-month timeout to ponder their failed strategy. Now we get to re-engage on September 24th." [emphasis mine]
This belies your identity as one of two possibilities:
1) An angry "yes" voter approaching the regulated age who just can't get over the fact that the TA failed [note the red emphasized desscriptors with no mention of the wasted 6 months breathlessly hoping for TA 1.01] , or...
2) A management stooge trying to sow discord, or...
3) Both
First...what do you mean by rouge? Are you French and describing the color of your angry emoji or are the MEC members with whom you are obviously disgruntled wearing rouge? Or do you mean "rogue"?
"This direction would be expected as there was a break in negotiations due to the MEC’s decision to prematurely request a Proffer of Arbitration (release from mediation). The National Mediation Board rapidly denied that ineffective decision. Following that decision, the NMB placed our side in a 6-month timeout to ponder their failed strategy. Now we get to re-engage on September 24th." [emphasis mine]
This belies your identity as one of two possibilities:
1) An angry "yes" voter approaching the regulated age who just can't get over the fact that the TA failed [note the red emphasized desscriptors with no mention of the wasted 6 months breathlessly hoping for TA 1.01] , or...
2) A management stooge trying to sow discord, or...
3) Both
09-24-2024, 12:08 PM
#36
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Posts: 17
And I'm very serious. Knowing where blather comes from and the intent of the communication is fundamental in unpacking.
09-30-2024, 10:44 AM
#37
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FOLLOW-UP
SEP 5, 2024 Negotiating Committee Update:“We are committed to aggressively advocating on your behalf. There have been some questions about our "openers" and the subjects we are bargaining over. This upcoming bargaining continues the formal RLA Section Six bargaining that began in May '21. Therefore, there are no new "openers," …What does this mean? As communicated to the NMB, we are not advocating for a 31-section rewrite. Our present position and circumstances do not allow for that. More importantly, your patience won't allow that; we are not confused by those sentiments. The focused priorities aligned with the openers proffered in May '21 remain, as do newly arisen issues.”
“To say that we will become "industry-leading" in all categories would require a lot of "cherry-picking" of the industry CBAs. That's not how we operate.”
LEC 26 (Blocks 3,6,11) published this: “For the sake of transparency, we want to reiterate that our goals have not changed, except for an increased emphasis on job protections in response to recent company actions. We remain laser-focused on our four cornerstones: Scope, Retirement, Pay, and Quality of Life.”
Based on Negotiating and LEC communications, there are no new “openers” but Scope has become a priority. That is understandable, but what are the new “openers” regarding Scope? So, we know that the NC is opening a Section not previously opened by ALPA in 2021, but are there other Sections to be opened? Is job protection our only new goal in Section 1? Apparently, that is not the case.
Despite what we have been told,
Bottom line: It appears the ‘new and improved’ MEC is rudderless and aimlessly communicating new negotiating items without any internal agreement as to what those items are. Even more problematic, the MEC has misled every FDX pilot in their Resolution 24-37 when they clearly state they have provided direction to the NC.
Ask your elected representative if they have provided direction to the NC and specifically what items will be newly negotiated. I have and the answer is "not really". I can be “All In” when I know exactly what I’m supposed to be all in for. My dues dollars require the MEC to do their job and I don’t provide blind trust. This is a zero-accountability strategy that is destined to fail. Demand accountability.
Failure to plan is a plan to fail.
To remind everyone this is what ALPA originally opened: 3, 5, 8, 12, 21, 25, 28, 31
Okay, so we are now opening Section 1 (Understood). WTH is with 4, 7, 15, and 26? Those are totally NEW and there are obviously NEW items within the 12 listed by the NC. There is no doubt now. Everything plus a bunch of one-off items are now in play (EX. CPAP machines and no R24 Early Calls) and we have been misled by our MEC. Also, to make matters worse, the NC isn't even certain that their Scope concerns are accurate when they admit "[we] may have it all wrong"? That's really convincing.
As a pilot with FDX for over 8 years and decades to go, this is truly disturbing. We WILL LOSE AN ENTIRE NEGOTIATING CYCLE because we have not been able to focus on the NECESSARY items to conclude a TA successfully. I was a reluctant NO VOTER due to the time frame needed to recoup lost wages and now I am convinced that window just closed with the announcement from the NC.
I DO NOT SUPPORT this entire process of reopening nearly every TA'ed Section plus adding new Sections NEVER OPENED by ALPA. But hey I just got a call from UNH (that seems MOOT) so I can tell them what's important to get a deal done.
Apparently, our BLock 4 Rep (MR 10 YEARS and a TESLA) and Block 5 (MR IT's My DATA so it may be WRONG) Rep are controlling the agenda now for the MEC. I wonder if he will republish his hypothetical graph about how long it will take to recoup lost wages seeing as how his 2 primary inputs are wrong (Pay and time to get a TA). TA 2027 anyone?
Thank GOD they read the "Art Of The Deal"!! Well here's a quote from that book they should take to heart: "Leverage: don't make deals without it. Enhance".
What in the Holy He@#? #worstdecisionever
09-30-2024, 11:08 AM
#38
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Position: 777 - Both
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Now that is all said...how's it going so far? 12 Sections were just opened unbeknown to the pilots and the MEC and a BS promise to cover "retired pilots" from today on out. Sure, that and $5.00 will get you a cup of Starbucks coffee.
I don't have to convince you your vote was wrong, your paycheck does that every other week.
Last edited by FDX1; 09-30-2024 at 11:10 AM. Reason: wordy
09-30-2024, 11:08 AM
#39
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09-30-2024, 11:14 AM
#40
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Oh! Yeah (s)he has some credibility concerns with the wonderful dipSh*@s on APC...including you. The point that was made is perfectly clear: we were told "no new open Sections" and "No Cherry Picking". Pretty clear, that's in the comms referenced. So when did they mention the big need for CPAP machines? When was that in any survey you ever did? I'll give you a hint; never.
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