easyflyer

There is absolutely 100% correlation to the folks berating junior guys for saying no and their disposition at this company. It's undeniable. And they got laughed out of the room when it came time to vote.

EMBFlyer to answer your question - There was potentially a ton of harm in showing the membership PM's lipstick on a pig TA 2.0. The company could have shown "just good enough" and we would have been stuck with below inflationary pay raises, a pittance of what's owed in back pay, and concessions we never should have made in the first place.

If you didn't like what is/what happening - organize your friends and use the democratic process to influence change. Just be careful you don't act like the previous regime by canceling meetings to avoid hard votes, elevating your buddies to temporary block rep status, and other shady tactics. It's a bad look when you're trying to unify a pilot group.

Huck

Right back at ya....

Tuck

The NMB letter says "The agenda is to prepare a protocol agreement and have the Association
present its proposals to improve the failed agreement." - I would expect zero negotiations. There will be no back and forth.

bitwiser

Looks like easyflyer's post struck a little too close to home for some of our resident SMers. Please continue whining in your echo chamber while the rest of us try to make up for the failures of the previous NC & MEC. So far so good IMO. Keep up the good work everyone.

Freighthumper

I read that as FDX ALPA will be presenting its proposals on how to improve the agreement. Next session, the company provides its counter. To be honest, I'm not sure there is a lot of back and forth at all of these meetings. I know in the past we've had ones where we present our asks, then it's countered at the next date. A good example is the much talked about counter proposal that we didn't wait to see back in April. APC isn't the right place to find this info though. A DART is the only way your gonna get a definitive answer on whether or not there will be back and forth or it will be more like how I mentioned.

Jamo

Pot, meet Kettle.

easyflyer

Hey grammar guy, can you quickly hit me up with the vote tallies from the LEC meetings? Just wanting to check on where things stand with you and your bros in the echo chamber. Wondering if you still have a shred of pull with the MEC.

Luckily - I have time to fix the collosal corruption we just witnessed. You, not so much as it sounds. Maybe next time you and your chums don't try and rob the bank on the way out the door. Mmmmkay?

Temocil27

Yikes- drink much?

Xing30west

Do you honestly believe the company had a fair offer just waiting that we would have been happy with? Do you honestly believe we blow our opportunity? Do you believe this company is negotiating in good faith?

EMBFlyer

No, I don't believe there was a fair offer or even one that would be sent out for ratification.

However, perception is EVERYTHING with the NMB. I think it would have looked different if the MEC had spoken with a unifed voice.