Wilson Says: What's really happening new MEC
08-04-2024, 10:23 AM
#1
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Wilson Says: What's really happening new MEC
First - today is day 370 - tick tick tick - a new video clip has popped up on the TonyTicker page - https://fdxjetflyers.com/ticker/tonyticker.html
Second - the following message is floating around right now (author unknown):
Subject: New MEC
Here is what is really happening with the new MEC.
First we are on “ice.” They said we wouldn’t be put on ice in their communication to the crews, but we are until the 21st and maybe longer after that. They are aware we are iced but don’t want to say it. The NMB was not happy when they broke off negotiations before the company could reply to our proposal, and the manner in which they did it going against ALL advice from National, legal, all SMEs. Particularly because all directly involved felt a deal was imminent (APR-MAY) and the pressure to close was there. We were the last big property and the board wanted to see it happen ASAP. It also placed the board in a position where they couldn’t approve the request for release because we were the ones not negotiating in good faith. The MEC made the NMB look like they aren’t supporting labor by forcing this on them. The MEC could have voted to turn down any possible TA and kept negotiating, but to break off and try to move to a job action without a valid reason couldn’t be approved. If we had a valid reason an approval might have happened. So this meeting is for the MEC to explain themselves. Also requesting release can only be requested once. So they fired the only shot we had for nothing.
We also are not eligible for back pay during this dead time they created. So from the day we requested release to the day we are allowed to sit at the negotiating table again won’t count for back pay. So we are losing money every day we are iced. Sure they can ask for forgiveness and try to negotiate it, but we aren’t eligible so why would the company pay it for a problem the MEC created.
The NMB has 1 Republican and 2 Democrats and is the most labor friendly board in some time. But if the Republicans win in NOV the board will change to 2 Republicans and 1 Democrat and become more corporate friendly. So our time is ticking.
The MEC is aware of all this but is not sharing this information, but they seem to realize they made a big mistake. They also have become very paranoid and have kicked all Chairs and SMEs and most staff out of normal meetings. They are worried this information other items will leak to the pilots. They have a published agenda and another agenda they don’t publish. This is not executive session meetings these are normal meetings and they are not adding late agenda items per our policy they just have other items they don’t want known. Not sure if this is even legal to do. They also have hired a pilot as their security and he has been interrogating staff and anyone that comes to the MEC offices. He apparently believes FedEx delivery trucks might be spying on the office too.
They also have some buyers remorse with the new Chair. Apparently he prefers to sleep in rather than attend scheduled meetings and the office environment has also become so toxic that National HR is now involved. The lack of ability to run a large organization has become apparent to them as well. He also tried to fire our SIG chair without cause which created an uproar with all the pilots on the SIG who would quit. When they realized that the company would take over building all lines and trips if he did that fortunately he choose otherwise but are still removing people quietly.
They also don’t have an actual negotiating plan. They a have plan called that but it is a generalized document they are fighting about format not substance. They have no actual positions as the can’t agree on anything. They also didn’t even have the NC brief them at the last set of meetings. Apparently the NC does have a plan but doesn’t want to share it with the MEC because they are afraid they will tear it up and further delay negotiations. The Chair and the NC didn’t want the MEC to come to the NMB meeting at all to prevent this, but now the MEC has forced their hand and they are all going.
What the MEC is doing openly is spending money at record levels. The not required “in person meetings” instead of teleconferences that they keep having are costing well over a million and climbing for flight pay loss, hotels, flights, and food and drinks. Supposedly some reps are picking up trips on top of this too. They also have been increasing budgets of many committees which were already done last year for this year as part of the annual budget that had to be approved. Plus they are putting their buddy the New Strike chair on full time pay even though we can’t strike and planning and building strike centers across the country like they communicated about are a complete waste of dues money. He apparently came up with the new lanyards that they are not going to mail out. Only some people have them and he wants you to answer questions to get one (basically swear to support the new MEC or you don’t get one). They even want to give credit cards to Chairs so they can spend as needed beyond their budget. They are spending on pilot parties every month with no end in sight, and the wives only party with the Chair was reported as “creepy” by a few attendees. They are also in charge of financial review of themselves on the crazy spending and approving it. At the current rate the we will have to raise dues or they will run us dry and we have nothing to show for it.
They will freak when this gets out and now doubt go after people. The only thing the average pilot can do is call and write their rep and ask WTF? Ask what has blowing up negotiations done for us to improve us getting a contract we could have had in May? Why are you spending so much money and what do you have to show for it? Why are you not being transparent with us? Unless everyone decides they have had enough of this it will continue…
Second - the following message is floating around right now (author unknown):
Subject: New MEC
Here is what is really happening with the new MEC.
First we are on “ice.” They said we wouldn’t be put on ice in their communication to the crews, but we are until the 21st and maybe longer after that. They are aware we are iced but don’t want to say it. The NMB was not happy when they broke off negotiations before the company could reply to our proposal, and the manner in which they did it going against ALL advice from National, legal, all SMEs. Particularly because all directly involved felt a deal was imminent (APR-MAY) and the pressure to close was there. We were the last big property and the board wanted to see it happen ASAP. It also placed the board in a position where they couldn’t approve the request for release because we were the ones not negotiating in good faith. The MEC made the NMB look like they aren’t supporting labor by forcing this on them. The MEC could have voted to turn down any possible TA and kept negotiating, but to break off and try to move to a job action without a valid reason couldn’t be approved. If we had a valid reason an approval might have happened. So this meeting is for the MEC to explain themselves. Also requesting release can only be requested once. So they fired the only shot we had for nothing.
We also are not eligible for back pay during this dead time they created. So from the day we requested release to the day we are allowed to sit at the negotiating table again won’t count for back pay. So we are losing money every day we are iced. Sure they can ask for forgiveness and try to negotiate it, but we aren’t eligible so why would the company pay it for a problem the MEC created.
The NMB has 1 Republican and 2 Democrats and is the most labor friendly board in some time. But if the Republicans win in NOV the board will change to 2 Republicans and 1 Democrat and become more corporate friendly. So our time is ticking.
The MEC is aware of all this but is not sharing this information, but they seem to realize they made a big mistake. They also have become very paranoid and have kicked all Chairs and SMEs and most staff out of normal meetings. They are worried this information other items will leak to the pilots. They have a published agenda and another agenda they don’t publish. This is not executive session meetings these are normal meetings and they are not adding late agenda items per our policy they just have other items they don’t want known. Not sure if this is even legal to do. They also have hired a pilot as their security and he has been interrogating staff and anyone that comes to the MEC offices. He apparently believes FedEx delivery trucks might be spying on the office too.
They also have some buyers remorse with the new Chair. Apparently he prefers to sleep in rather than attend scheduled meetings and the office environment has also become so toxic that National HR is now involved. The lack of ability to run a large organization has become apparent to them as well. He also tried to fire our SIG chair without cause which created an uproar with all the pilots on the SIG who would quit. When they realized that the company would take over building all lines and trips if he did that fortunately he choose otherwise but are still removing people quietly.
They also don’t have an actual negotiating plan. They a have plan called that but it is a generalized document they are fighting about format not substance. They have no actual positions as the can’t agree on anything. They also didn’t even have the NC brief them at the last set of meetings. Apparently the NC does have a plan but doesn’t want to share it with the MEC because they are afraid they will tear it up and further delay negotiations. The Chair and the NC didn’t want the MEC to come to the NMB meeting at all to prevent this, but now the MEC has forced their hand and they are all going.
What the MEC is doing openly is spending money at record levels. The not required “in person meetings” instead of teleconferences that they keep having are costing well over a million and climbing for flight pay loss, hotels, flights, and food and drinks. Supposedly some reps are picking up trips on top of this too. They also have been increasing budgets of many committees which were already done last year for this year as part of the annual budget that had to be approved. Plus they are putting their buddy the New Strike chair on full time pay even though we can’t strike and planning and building strike centers across the country like they communicated about are a complete waste of dues money. He apparently came up with the new lanyards that they are not going to mail out. Only some people have them and he wants you to answer questions to get one (basically swear to support the new MEC or you don’t get one). They even want to give credit cards to Chairs so they can spend as needed beyond their budget. They are spending on pilot parties every month with no end in sight, and the wives only party with the Chair was reported as “creepy” by a few attendees. They are also in charge of financial review of themselves on the crazy spending and approving it. At the current rate the we will have to raise dues or they will run us dry and we have nothing to show for it.
They will freak when this gets out and now doubt go after people. The only thing the average pilot can do is call and write their rep and ask WTF? Ask what has blowing up negotiations done for us to improve us getting a contract we could have had in May? Why are you spending so much money and what do you have to show for it? Why are you not being transparent with us? Unless everyone decides they have had enough of this it will continue…
08-04-2024, 10:42 AM
#2
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,095
The New MEC was handed the $hittyyest sandwich possible, after 9 years of the Man with the Pancake Plan. A lot of damage was done in those 9 years, and now you are hearing about it for the first time, after the Fake News fed to us for years.
If you have an issue with where we are, recongize the "leadership" who brought us to the current position we are in - it is not the current MEC. Don't misplace your frustrations.
Had PM stepped down the day after his TA was voted down (rest of MEC might have followed the good example), as he had GIVEN HIS WORD to do, we would be in a much better position right now.
If you have an issue with where we are, recongize the "leadership" who brought us to the current position we are in - it is not the current MEC. Don't misplace your frustrations.
Had PM stepped down the day after his TA was voted down (rest of MEC might have followed the good example), as he had GIVEN HIS WORD to do, we would be in a much better position right now.
Last edited by CloudSailor; 08-04-2024 at 10:56 AM.
08-04-2024, 03:53 PM
#4
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: B767
Posts: 445
what’s the point of standing up for the old MEC and lambasting the new crew? If you are still advocating for TA1 you are stuck in the past and outing yourself as someone that doesn’t represent the majority (i.e., a pilot that only cares about a retirement bump. The rest of us are trying to protect our jobs so we don’t have to start over at the bottom at a pax carrier).
Also, FWIW everything you wrote is cryptic and lacks any proof. It’s like reading something out of the national enquirer FFS.
Also, FWIW everything you wrote is cryptic and lacks any proof. It’s like reading something out of the national enquirer FFS.
08-04-2024, 04:07 PM
#5
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,121
Not eligible for backpay? Now you’re just making things up. Guarantee that most of the rest of your post is made up too.
Also it’s extremely hilarious that the tony ticker “lost” wages counter figure for a WB CA including the BS replacement for retro pay is still less than entire retro check of a NB captain hired at DL or UA in 2021. That’s not proving the point that you want it to.
At this point the Tony Ticker is just proving how awful that TA really was and as time marches on it will show that even more.
I guess naming it after Tony is actually a compliment to him since he was the only rep who could see it for what it was or at least didn’t want to cuck us and it is showing us how cucked we would have been if it passed.
Go back to your WhatsApp group where saving this job for those of us who have 30 years or more left isn’t a priority.
Also it’s extremely hilarious that the tony ticker “lost” wages counter figure for a WB CA including the BS replacement for retro pay is still less than entire retro check of a NB captain hired at DL or UA in 2021. That’s not proving the point that you want it to.
At this point the Tony Ticker is just proving how awful that TA really was and as time marches on it will show that even more.
I guess naming it after Tony is actually a compliment to him since he was the only rep who could see it for what it was or at least didn’t want to cuck us and it is showing us how cucked we would have been if it passed.
Go back to your WhatsApp group where saving this job for those of us who have 30 years or more left isn’t a priority.
08-04-2024, 04:50 PM
#6
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 277
what’s the point of standing up for the old MEC and lambasting the new crew? If you are still advocating for TA1 you are stuck in the past and outing yourself as someone that doesn’t represent the majority (i.e., a pilot that only cares about a retirement bump. The rest of us are trying to protect our jobs so we don’t have to start over at the bottom at a pax carrier).
Also, FWIW everything you wrote is cryptic and lacks any proof. It’s like reading something out of the national enquirer FFS.
Also, FWIW everything you wrote is cryptic and lacks any proof. It’s like reading something out of the national enquirer FFS.
It has been one year. If you cannot move on, please get counseling. No one on this site or any other forum is going to be able to help your mental state.
08-04-2024, 08:22 PM
#8
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 114
First - today is day 370 - tick tick tick - a new video clip has popped up on the TonyTicker page - https://fdxjetflyers.com/ticker/tonyticker.html
Second - the following message is floating around right now (author unknown):
Subject: New MEC
Here is what is really happening with the new MEC.
First we are on “ice.” They said we wouldn’t be put on ice in their communication to the crews, but we are until the 21st and maybe longer after that. They are aware we are iced but don’t want to say it. The NMB was not happy when they broke off negotiations before the company could reply to our proposal, and the manner in which they did it going against ALL advice from National, legal, all SMEs. Particularly because all directly involved felt a deal was imminent (APR-MAY) and the pressure to close was there. We were the last big property and the board wanted to see it happen ASAP. It also placed the board in a position where they couldn’t approve the request for release because we were the ones not negotiating in good faith. The MEC made the NMB look like they aren’t supporting labor by forcing this on them. The MEC could have voted to turn down any possible TA and kept negotiating, but to break off and try to move to a job action without a valid reason couldn’t be approved. If we had a valid reason an approval might have happened. So this meeting is for the MEC to explain themselves. Also requesting release can only be requested once. So they fired the only shot we had for nothing.
We also are not eligible for back pay during this dead time they created. So from the day we requested release to the day we are allowed to sit at the negotiating table again won’t count for back pay. So we are losing money every day we are iced. Sure they can ask for forgiveness and try to negotiate it, but we aren’t eligible so why would the company pay it for a problem the MEC created.
The NMB has 1 Republican and 2 Democrats and is the most labor friendly board in some time. But if the Republicans win in NOV the board will change to 2 Republicans and 1 Democrat and become more corporate friendly. So our time is ticking.
The MEC is aware of all this but is not sharing this information, but they seem to realize they made a big mistake. They also have become very paranoid and have kicked all Chairs and SMEs and most staff out of normal meetings. They are worried this information other items will leak to the pilots. They have a published agenda and another agenda they don’t publish. This is not executive session meetings these are normal meetings and they are not adding late agenda items per our policy they just have other items they don’t want known. Not sure if this is even legal to do. They also have hired a pilot as their security and he has been interrogating staff and anyone that comes to the MEC offices. He apparently believes FedEx delivery trucks might be spying on the office too.
They also have some buyers remorse with the new Chair. Apparently he prefers to sleep in rather than attend scheduled meetings and the office environment has also become so toxic that National HR is now involved. The lack of ability to run a large organization has become apparent to them as well. He also tried to fire our SIG chair without cause which created an uproar with all the pilots on the SIG who would quit. When they realized that the company would take over building all lines and trips if he did that fortunately he choose otherwise but are still removing people quietly.
They also don’t have an actual negotiating plan. They a have plan called that but it is a generalized document they are fighting about format not substance. They have no actual positions as the can’t agree on anything. They also didn’t even have the NC brief them at the last set of meetings. Apparently the NC does have a plan but doesn’t want to share it with the MEC because they are afraid they will tear it up and further delay negotiations. The Chair and the NC didn’t want the MEC to come to the NMB meeting at all to prevent this, but now the MEC has forced their hand and they are all going.
What the MEC is doing openly is spending money at record levels. The not required “in person meetings” instead of teleconferences that they keep having are costing well over a million and climbing for flight pay loss, hotels, flights, and food and drinks. Supposedly some reps are picking up trips on top of this too. They also have been increasing budgets of many committees which were already done last year for this year as part of the annual budget that had to be approved. Plus they are putting their buddy the New Strike chair on full time pay even though we can’t strike and planning and building strike centers across the country like they communicated about are a complete waste of dues money. He apparently came up with the new lanyards that they are not going to mail out. Only some people have them and he wants you to answer questions to get one (basically swear to support the new MEC or you don’t get one). They even want to give credit cards to Chairs so they can spend as needed beyond their budget. They are spending on pilot parties every month with no end in sight, and the wives only party with the Chair was reported as “creepy” by a few attendees. They are also in charge of financial review of themselves on the crazy spending and approving it. At the current rate the we will have to raise dues or they will run us dry and we have nothing to show for it.
They will freak when this gets out and now doubt go after people. The only thing the average pilot can do is call and write their rep and ask WTF? Ask what has blowing up negotiations done for us to improve us getting a contract we could have had in May? Why are you spending so much money and what do you have to show for it? Why are you not being transparent with us? Unless everyone decides they have had enough of this it will continue…
Second - the following message is floating around right now (author unknown):
Subject: New MEC
Here is what is really happening with the new MEC.
First we are on “ice.” They said we wouldn’t be put on ice in their communication to the crews, but we are until the 21st and maybe longer after that. They are aware we are iced but don’t want to say it. The NMB was not happy when they broke off negotiations before the company could reply to our proposal, and the manner in which they did it going against ALL advice from National, legal, all SMEs. Particularly because all directly involved felt a deal was imminent (APR-MAY) and the pressure to close was there. We were the last big property and the board wanted to see it happen ASAP. It also placed the board in a position where they couldn’t approve the request for release because we were the ones not negotiating in good faith. The MEC made the NMB look like they aren’t supporting labor by forcing this on them. The MEC could have voted to turn down any possible TA and kept negotiating, but to break off and try to move to a job action without a valid reason couldn’t be approved. If we had a valid reason an approval might have happened. So this meeting is for the MEC to explain themselves. Also requesting release can only be requested once. So they fired the only shot we had for nothing.
We also are not eligible for back pay during this dead time they created. So from the day we requested release to the day we are allowed to sit at the negotiating table again won’t count for back pay. So we are losing money every day we are iced. Sure they can ask for forgiveness and try to negotiate it, but we aren’t eligible so why would the company pay it for a problem the MEC created.
The NMB has 1 Republican and 2 Democrats and is the most labor friendly board in some time. But if the Republicans win in NOV the board will change to 2 Republicans and 1 Democrat and become more corporate friendly. So our time is ticking.
The MEC is aware of all this but is not sharing this information, but they seem to realize they made a big mistake. They also have become very paranoid and have kicked all Chairs and SMEs and most staff out of normal meetings. They are worried this information other items will leak to the pilots. They have a published agenda and another agenda they don’t publish. This is not executive session meetings these are normal meetings and they are not adding late agenda items per our policy they just have other items they don’t want known. Not sure if this is even legal to do. They also have hired a pilot as their security and he has been interrogating staff and anyone that comes to the MEC offices. He apparently believes FedEx delivery trucks might be spying on the office too.
They also have some buyers remorse with the new Chair. Apparently he prefers to sleep in rather than attend scheduled meetings and the office environment has also become so toxic that National HR is now involved. The lack of ability to run a large organization has become apparent to them as well. He also tried to fire our SIG chair without cause which created an uproar with all the pilots on the SIG who would quit. When they realized that the company would take over building all lines and trips if he did that fortunately he choose otherwise but are still removing people quietly.
They also don’t have an actual negotiating plan. They a have plan called that but it is a generalized document they are fighting about format not substance. They have no actual positions as the can’t agree on anything. They also didn’t even have the NC brief them at the last set of meetings. Apparently the NC does have a plan but doesn’t want to share it with the MEC because they are afraid they will tear it up and further delay negotiations. The Chair and the NC didn’t want the MEC to come to the NMB meeting at all to prevent this, but now the MEC has forced their hand and they are all going.
What the MEC is doing openly is spending money at record levels. The not required “in person meetings” instead of teleconferences that they keep having are costing well over a million and climbing for flight pay loss, hotels, flights, and food and drinks. Supposedly some reps are picking up trips on top of this too. They also have been increasing budgets of many committees which were already done last year for this year as part of the annual budget that had to be approved. Plus they are putting their buddy the New Strike chair on full time pay even though we can’t strike and planning and building strike centers across the country like they communicated about are a complete waste of dues money. He apparently came up with the new lanyards that they are not going to mail out. Only some people have them and he wants you to answer questions to get one (basically swear to support the new MEC or you don’t get one). They even want to give credit cards to Chairs so they can spend as needed beyond their budget. They are spending on pilot parties every month with no end in sight, and the wives only party with the Chair was reported as “creepy” by a few attendees. They are also in charge of financial review of themselves on the crazy spending and approving it. At the current rate the we will have to raise dues or they will run us dry and we have nothing to show for it.
They will freak when this gets out and now doubt go after people. The only thing the average pilot can do is call and write their rep and ask WTF? Ask what has blowing up negotiations done for us to improve us getting a contract we could have had in May? Why are you spending so much money and what do you have to show for it? Why are you not being transparent with us? Unless everyone decides they have had enough of this it will continue…
So pettty. So tacky.
08-04-2024, 08:35 PM
#9
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 51
First - today is day 370 - tick tick tick - a new video clip has popped up on the TonyTicker page - https://fdxjetflyers.com/ticker/tonyticker.html
Second - the following message is floating around right now (author unknown):
Subject: New MEC
Here is what is really happening with the new MEC.
First we are on “ice.” They said we wouldn’t be put on ice in their communication to the crews, but we are until the 21st and maybe longer after that. They are aware we are iced but don’t want to say it. The NMB was not happy when they broke off negotiations before the company could reply to our proposal, and the manner in which they did it going against ALL advice from National, legal, all SMEs. Particularly because all directly involved felt a deal was imminent (APR-MAY) and the pressure to close was there. We were the last big property and the board wanted to see it happen ASAP. It also placed the board in a position where they couldn’t approve the request for release because we were the ones not negotiating in good faith. The MEC made the NMB look like they aren’t supporting labor by forcing this on them. The MEC could have voted to turn down any possible TA and kept negotiating, but to break off and try to move to a job action without a valid reason couldn’t be approved. If we had a valid reason an approval might have happened. So this meeting is for the MEC to explain themselves. Also requesting release can only be requested once. So they fired the only shot we had for nothing.
We also are not eligible for back pay during this dead time they created. So from the day we requested release to the day we are allowed to sit at the negotiating table again won’t count for back pay. So we are losing money every day we are iced. Sure they can ask for forgiveness and try to negotiate it, but we aren’t eligible so why would the company pay it for a problem the MEC created.
The NMB has 1 Republican and 2 Democrats and is the most labor friendly board in some time. But if the Republicans win in NOV the board will change to 2 Republicans and 1 Democrat and become more corporate friendly. So our time is ticking.
The MEC is aware of all this but is not sharing this information, but they seem to realize they made a big mistake. They also have become very paranoid and have kicked all Chairs and SMEs and most staff out of normal meetings. They are worried this information other items will leak to the pilots. They have a published agenda and another agenda they don’t publish. This is not executive session meetings these are normal meetings and they are not adding late agenda items per our policy they just have other items they don’t want known. Not sure if this is even legal to do. They also have hired a pilot as their security and he has been interrogating staff and anyone that comes to the MEC offices. He apparently believes FedEx delivery trucks might be spying on the office too.
They also have some buyers remorse with the new Chair. Apparently he prefers to sleep in rather than attend scheduled meetings and the office environment has also become so toxic that National HR is now involved. The lack of ability to run a large organization has become apparent to them as well. He also tried to fire our SIG chair without cause which created an uproar with all the pilots on the SIG who would quit. When they realized that the company would take over building all lines and trips if he did that fortunately he choose otherwise but are still removing people quietly.
They also don’t have an actual negotiating plan. They a have plan called that but it is a generalized document they are fighting about format not substance. They have no actual positions as the can’t agree on anything. They also didn’t even have the NC brief them at the last set of meetings. Apparently the NC does have a plan but doesn’t want to share it with the MEC because they are afraid they will tear it up and further delay negotiations. The Chair and the NC didn’t want the MEC to come to the NMB meeting at all to prevent this, but now the MEC has forced their hand and they are all going.
What the MEC is doing openly is spending money at record levels. The not required “in person meetings” instead of teleconferences that they keep having are costing well over a million and climbing for flight pay loss, hotels, flights, and food and drinks. Supposedly some reps are picking up trips on top of this too. They also have been increasing budgets of many committees which were already done last year for this year as part of the annual budget that had to be approved. Plus they are putting their buddy the New Strike chair on full time pay even though we can’t strike and planning and building strike centers across the country like they communicated about are a complete waste of dues money. He apparently came up with the new lanyards that they are not going to mail out. Only some people have them and he wants you to answer questions to get one (basically swear to support the new MEC or you don’t get one). They even want to give credit cards to Chairs so they can spend as needed beyond their budget. They are spending on pilot parties every month with no end in sight, and the wives only party with the Chair was reported as “creepy” by a few attendees. They are also in charge of financial review of themselves on the crazy spending and approving it. At the current rate the we will have to raise dues or they will run us dry and we have nothing to show for it.
They will freak when this gets out and now doubt go after people. The only thing the average pilot can do is call and write their rep and ask WTF? Ask what has blowing up negotiations done for us to improve us getting a contract we could have had in May? Why are you spending so much money and what do you have to show for it? Why are you not being transparent with us? Unless everyone decides they have had enough of this it will continue…
Second - the following message is floating around right now (author unknown):
Subject: New MEC
Here is what is really happening with the new MEC.
First we are on “ice.” They said we wouldn’t be put on ice in their communication to the crews, but we are until the 21st and maybe longer after that. They are aware we are iced but don’t want to say it. The NMB was not happy when they broke off negotiations before the company could reply to our proposal, and the manner in which they did it going against ALL advice from National, legal, all SMEs. Particularly because all directly involved felt a deal was imminent (APR-MAY) and the pressure to close was there. We were the last big property and the board wanted to see it happen ASAP. It also placed the board in a position where they couldn’t approve the request for release because we were the ones not negotiating in good faith. The MEC made the NMB look like they aren’t supporting labor by forcing this on them. The MEC could have voted to turn down any possible TA and kept negotiating, but to break off and try to move to a job action without a valid reason couldn’t be approved. If we had a valid reason an approval might have happened. So this meeting is for the MEC to explain themselves. Also requesting release can only be requested once. So they fired the only shot we had for nothing.
We also are not eligible for back pay during this dead time they created. So from the day we requested release to the day we are allowed to sit at the negotiating table again won’t count for back pay. So we are losing money every day we are iced. Sure they can ask for forgiveness and try to negotiate it, but we aren’t eligible so why would the company pay it for a problem the MEC created.
The NMB has 1 Republican and 2 Democrats and is the most labor friendly board in some time. But if the Republicans win in NOV the board will change to 2 Republicans and 1 Democrat and become more corporate friendly. So our time is ticking.
The MEC is aware of all this but is not sharing this information, but they seem to realize they made a big mistake. They also have become very paranoid and have kicked all Chairs and SMEs and most staff out of normal meetings. They are worried this information other items will leak to the pilots. They have a published agenda and another agenda they don’t publish. This is not executive session meetings these are normal meetings and they are not adding late agenda items per our policy they just have other items they don’t want known. Not sure if this is even legal to do. They also have hired a pilot as their security and he has been interrogating staff and anyone that comes to the MEC offices. He apparently believes FedEx delivery trucks might be spying on the office too.
They also have some buyers remorse with the new Chair. Apparently he prefers to sleep in rather than attend scheduled meetings and the office environment has also become so toxic that National HR is now involved. The lack of ability to run a large organization has become apparent to them as well. He also tried to fire our SIG chair without cause which created an uproar with all the pilots on the SIG who would quit. When they realized that the company would take over building all lines and trips if he did that fortunately he choose otherwise but are still removing people quietly.
They also don’t have an actual negotiating plan. They a have plan called that but it is a generalized document they are fighting about format not substance. They have no actual positions as the can’t agree on anything. They also didn’t even have the NC brief them at the last set of meetings. Apparently the NC does have a plan but doesn’t want to share it with the MEC because they are afraid they will tear it up and further delay negotiations. The Chair and the NC didn’t want the MEC to come to the NMB meeting at all to prevent this, but now the MEC has forced their hand and they are all going.
What the MEC is doing openly is spending money at record levels. The not required “in person meetings” instead of teleconferences that they keep having are costing well over a million and climbing for flight pay loss, hotels, flights, and food and drinks. Supposedly some reps are picking up trips on top of this too. They also have been increasing budgets of many committees which were already done last year for this year as part of the annual budget that had to be approved. Plus they are putting their buddy the New Strike chair on full time pay even though we can’t strike and planning and building strike centers across the country like they communicated about are a complete waste of dues money. He apparently came up with the new lanyards that they are not going to mail out. Only some people have them and he wants you to answer questions to get one (basically swear to support the new MEC or you don’t get one). They even want to give credit cards to Chairs so they can spend as needed beyond their budget. They are spending on pilot parties every month with no end in sight, and the wives only party with the Chair was reported as “creepy” by a few attendees. They are also in charge of financial review of themselves on the crazy spending and approving it. At the current rate the we will have to raise dues or they will run us dry and we have nothing to show for it.
They will freak when this gets out and now doubt go after people. The only thing the average pilot can do is call and write their rep and ask WTF? Ask what has blowing up negotiations done for us to improve us getting a contract we could have had in May? Why are you spending so much money and what do you have to show for it? Why are you not being transparent with us? Unless everyone decides they have had enough of this it will continue…
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