Wilson Says: What's really happening new MEC
08-17-2024, 09:43 AM
#102
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: MD-11/C-17
Posts: 268
When was the last time the Pilot group was surveyed over how we want our lines built? I know it hasn't happened in my FedEx career.
As it seems the only real feedback the PSIT gets is email complaints. Is that how a healthy organization is ran?
When things were booming I gave solid feedback to MH about my frustration with line construction and the difficulty in holding weekends off as a 20% FO with the way our lines are built favoring week on/off. While not advocating for pbs I shared that under that system at any other airline weekends off are not a challenge.
His response is they build week on/off because that's what people like.
[OK, How do you know that? There hasn't been a survey].
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That I should just bid secondaries and build what I want [Ignoring that secondaries are inherently a worse selection of trips since it follows the view/add].
How long has he had this job? How long in any organization is it healthy for someone to camp in a role?
As it seems the only real feedback the PSIT gets is email complaints. Is that how a healthy organization is ran?
When things were booming I gave solid feedback to MH about my frustration with line construction and the difficulty in holding weekends off as a 20% FO with the way our lines are built favoring week on/off. While not advocating for pbs I shared that under that system at any other airline weekends off are not a challenge.
His response is they build week on/off because that's what people like.
[OK, How do you know that? There hasn't been a survey].
-and-
That I should just bid secondaries and build what I want [Ignoring that secondaries are inherently a worse selection of trips since it follows the view/add].
How long has he had this job? How long in any organization is it healthy for someone to camp in a role?
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08-17-2024, 09:55 AM
#104
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: MD-11/C-17
Posts: 268
They don't exist right now. Sunrise sort was a second AM sort around 6 am. More utilization. Think landing at 4am and departing at 8am. Was a mixed back as far as trips.
08-17-2024, 10:18 AM
#105
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2011
Position: RJ Capt
Posts: 49
I'm sorry, but this smacks of someone who doesn't know how the processes work.
1. Fly first, grieve later is a Raiway Labor Act requirement. Not a shortcoming of ALPA or any other labor group that operates under the RLA.
2. There's nothing they've rolled over on. It's the other way around, they are constantly (monthly) pushing back on what the company is trying to get you to do. Company builds the pairings, not the SIG/PSIT.
3. Sunset sort was a debacle that the company surprised us with. ALPA used the disputed pairing process to force the change. If you don't like it now, you would've hated it before ALPA pushback.
4. QOL improvements come from either 1) the goodwill of the company (HA!), or 2) through bargaining.
5. The requirement for data is because the company never thinks there is a problem without a mountain of evidence, again not a shortcoming of ALPA/SIG, etc....
I think your angst is misdirected. Company builds the pairings and creates the pain through optimization. I'd suggest talking to your manager and voicing your displeasure with them.
1. Fly first, grieve later is a Raiway Labor Act requirement. Not a shortcoming of ALPA or any other labor group that operates under the RLA.
2. There's nothing they've rolled over on. It's the other way around, they are constantly (monthly) pushing back on what the company is trying to get you to do. Company builds the pairings, not the SIG/PSIT.
3. Sunset sort was a debacle that the company surprised us with. ALPA used the disputed pairing process to force the change. If you don't like it now, you would've hated it before ALPA pushback.
4. QOL improvements come from either 1) the goodwill of the company (HA!), or 2) through bargaining.
5. The requirement for data is because the company never thinks there is a problem without a mountain of evidence, again not a shortcoming of ALPA/SIG, etc....
I think your angst is misdirected. Company builds the pairings and creates the pain through optimization. I'd suggest talking to your manager and voicing your displeasure with them.
Good luck retiring on the legacy pension. And if you don't, you can thank the people who actually have the sack to stand up to this management friendly nonsense.
08-17-2024, 01:19 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,095
I was invited to work on the SIG at one point. It's a pretty sweet gig, as far as how you calendar looks compared to flying the line all month. If you can stand being in Memphis that much and that often (which I can't) then yeah, great gig.
But yeah, not saying those guys don't work, because they do - but their schedules month in and month out, are much much better than any line pilot in their corresponding seniority range.
Please JustIn, and your like-minded troll friend HelpABrotherOut, don't whine and complain about someone booted from the SIG, who needs to fly the line again full time and regain perspective.
We need a fresh set of bloodshot eyes on that.
But yeah, not saying those guys don't work, because they do - but their schedules month in and month out, are much much better than any line pilot in their corresponding seniority range.
Please JustIn, and your like-minded troll friend HelpABrotherOut, don't whine and complain about someone booted from the SIG, who needs to fly the line again full time and regain perspective.
We need a fresh set of bloodshot eyes on that.
08-17-2024, 01:34 PM
#107
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,095
But that kind of flying, along with the radioactive and other crap we carry, not to mention payload yield $, is why cargo guys and gals should be paid far and above Delta + a nickle. They have just as good as pilots there, of course. But we fly hazmat at 3:30am, while they dream of their terminal Quizno's meal, and the hot FA up front (though unlikely these days).
I flew a line with some sunrise sorts one month through IND. Arriving to the hotel at around 10:30-11:00am was a special kind of suck. Sucked bigly. Never again if I can help it.
08-17-2024, 07:13 PM
#108
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2021
Posts: 51
I was invited to work on the SIG at one point. It's a pretty sweet gig, as far as how you calendar looks compared to flying the line all month. If you can stand being in Memphis that much and that often (which I can't) then yeah, great gig.
But yeah, not saying those guys don't work, because they do - but their schedules month in and month out, are much much better than any line pilot in their corresponding seniority range.
Please JustIn, and your like-minded troll friend HelpABrotherOut, don't whine and complain about someone booted from the SIG, who needs to fly the line again full time and regain perspective.
We need a fresh set of bloodshot eyes on that.
But yeah, not saying those guys don't work, because they do - but their schedules month in and month out, are much much better than any line pilot in their corresponding seniority range.
Please JustIn, and your like-minded troll friend HelpABrotherOut, don't whine and complain about someone booted from the SIG, who needs to fly the line again full time and regain perspective.
We need a fresh set of bloodshot eyes on that.
08-17-2024, 08:12 PM
#109
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2011
Position: RJ Capt
Posts: 49
And we wish we worked with people who actually understood that they don't need to be punched in the d!ck repeatedly at work. Have a bit of fortitude and nut sack buddy. Lets start with eradicating management symps from our union who have been screwing us for so long we don't rememeber anything different.
08-18-2024, 01:25 AM
#110
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2023
Posts: 417
When was the last time the Pilot group was surveyed over how we want our lines built? I know it hasn't happened in my FedEx career.
As it seems the only real feedback the PSIT gets is email complaints. Is that how a healthy organization is ran?
When things were booming I gave solid feedback to MH about my frustration with line construction and the difficulty in holding weekends off as a 20% FO with the way our lines are built favoring week on/off. While not advocating for pbs I shared that under that system at any other airline weekends off are not a challenge.
His response is they build week on/off because that's what people like.
[OK, How do you know that? There hasn't been a survey].
-and-
That I should just bid secondaries and build what I want [Ignoring that secondaries are inherently a worse selection of trips since it follows the view/add].
How long has he had this job? How long in any organization is it healthy for someone to camp in a role?
As it seems the only real feedback the PSIT gets is email complaints. Is that how a healthy organization is ran?
When things were booming I gave solid feedback to MH about my frustration with line construction and the difficulty in holding weekends off as a 20% FO with the way our lines are built favoring week on/off. While not advocating for pbs I shared that under that system at any other airline weekends off are not a challenge.
His response is they build week on/off because that's what people like.
[OK, How do you know that? There hasn't been a survey].
-and-
That I should just bid secondaries and build what I want [Ignoring that secondaries are inherently a worse selection of trips since it follows the view/add].
How long has he had this job? How long in any organization is it healthy for someone to camp in a role?
How do you know that pilots haven't emailed complaining about the number of commutes? While there hasn't been a specific SIG survey, there have been questions in the surveys about line construction and commuting.
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