JustInFacts

Agreed. It will be at least 7 months of no negotiations before we start again. Read the tea leaves.

UnusualAttitude

The tea leaves are indicitive that PM and the former MEC did not have the support, will, or desires of the pilot group first and foremost at the table. The NMB realized that and gave the new group time to evaluate and prepare for the resumption of negotiations. Pretty simple.

JustInFacts

10 of the 14 current MEC reps have been on the MEC since negotiations restarted in December. 11 of the 14 current reps were on the MEC when we asked to be released. There was a plan to transition to a new NC. If the NMB was just giving them time, then why didn't they offer dates in July to resume negotiations instead of requiring a status meeting? If the NMB thought that the company was stalling, or not negotiating in good faith, why did they deny our request to be released?

Blind faith is what got us TA1. Why the reluctance to hold this MEC's feet to the fire.

Maddog64

The TC 8 will have cost us at least 6 months if not more of no negotiations. Thats 420 million out of our pockets and I wouldn't be supprised if we don't get back pay from the date we asked to be released.

NoHaz

We will get what we accept. No TA would be ratifiable with a draconian back pay freeze from release date. The biggest problem is the delay timing and how this probably sets up the company to delay through another peak then slow roll again in Jan.

Merle Haggard

Full retro pay for every last day. Period.

sailingfun

Thats what every airline in the last round of negotiations said. Not one achieved it and most settled for signing bonuses that were not even close to the lost wages. If you think management will feel any moral compunction to pay back wages listen to this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cvz4qwjl9Q

Nightflyer

What about Southwest? Didn't they get full retro?

Full retro is the only way to reduce management's tactic of purposely dragging out negotiations past the amendable date. It is the primary reason they do it, because they know they will save more money the longer they drag it out.

Maddog64

Didn't southwest get a 2.5 % yearly increase after the amendable date in their contract?

Idaho

The NMB exists to prevent disruption to the system, which is the primary tool in our illustrious tool box. Even if we achieve industry standard pay and full retro, it still saves the company money to hold onto it during the intervening years. It's a time honored tactic to delay us to break down our unitly. Just watch while we fall apart and eat each other alive. Ultimately we get what we put up with, from the union, the company, and the government.

Better contracts and back pay have been and will be acheived by the flight attendants. When they blow us out of the water, will we hear the same tired excueses about W2, career earnings, widebody, furlough, etc.? Will PD develop a preferential interview program to become an FA off the bottom and top of our list? Could be a fun retirement job to supplement the A plan and Walmart greeter, you can sling drinks at ****ed off people and remain socially active, and you don't have to stop flying or hold a medical. Fishing and beer is not enough, people.