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Old 04-01-2024, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Freight
Doesnt change much about our contract worth IMO. As someone near the bottom, I’d rather get furloughed than accept anything close to TA1.

They knew this was coming and announced another $5bil in stock buybacks. Not buying the “I’m poor” mantra.
Problem is if you understand accounting, the money spent on stock buybacks would never be paid to us anyway. It’s not a great argument. What’s our profit margin compared to UPS?
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Old 04-01-2024, 02:18 PM
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Problem is if you understand accounting, the money spent on stock buybacks would never be paid to us anyway. It’s not a great argument. What’s our profit margin compared to UPS?
Roughly half.
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Old 04-01-2024, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock
It’s federal law. Postal Reform Act of 2022. UPS will probably lose money on whatever deal they’ve made. We were these last couple years. None of this has been a secret. The good thing about financial reports is that they are carefully regulated and required to be accurate. Major penalties for lying in quarterly reports. But they actually take time to read, and aren’t nearly as interesting as Facebook apparently. So here we are.
For all of their faults, the one thing UPS does well is analyze. They wouldn't have bid on a contr that they were gonna lose money on.
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Old 04-01-2024, 02:27 PM
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For all of their faults, the one thing UPS does well is analyze. They wouldn't have bid on a contr that they were gonna lose money on.
They have been bidding on it every time FX has.
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Old 04-01-2024, 02:35 PM
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Nice try. 39K a year bump was nothing. You really think that would make a difference to someone who has maxed their 401K for over 25yrs? I'll be enjoying my pension and millions while you are sweating out a job.
Nice, Stan. Very nice!!
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Old 04-01-2024, 02:56 PM
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Roughly half.
Great. What would they be if we spent $5B more on salaries and retirement?
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Old 04-01-2024, 03:31 PM
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Its time to drop the A plan bump. $39K a year is worthless. If thats all the company will offer, then the gains need to be made in other areas. If you have been at FX for 25 years to get the FAE for the A plan, you've made enough in the DC to retire with millions. Also, if you defer your pension past 60, you end up with more than 130K/yr. The problem is, what instrument are you going to use to replace the penson? The pension which is great for guys who have been at FX for decades is no longer the same benefit to anyone new or a hire in the past 10 years. There is no monitery answer.
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Old 04-01-2024, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Freight
Doesnt change much about our contract worth IMO. As someone near the bottom, I’d rather get furloughed than accept anything close to TA1.

They knew this was coming and announced another $5bil in stock buybacks. Not buying the “I’m poor” mantra.
I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but you are worth exactly what we can negotiate. As of the Spring union coup, you are worth 22% less and likely will be for several years. I won't even mention the hit you will take in September (or earlier) when 4.A.2.b-c kick in. If you are near the bottom of the seniority list, you may want to sharpen a pencil and send out some applications.
As to the next part of your comment, it doesn't really matter what you are buying, but it sounds very reminiscent of United's "Full Pay to the Last Day" mantra. Right before they lost their pension...and took a decade plus to catch back up to the rest of the industry.
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Old 04-01-2024, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBaron Deux
Our uphill battle for a new contract just got substantially steeper with the news today.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/01/ups-...ing-fedex.html
It has not. The company has been telegraphing that the Postal Contract has been a financial drag and not profitable enough for several quarters. This was always a very real possibility and now it is confirmed.

Across those financial quarters, most Postal comments at the earnings calls leaned towards postal contract=headwinds. They also stated that they are actively doing things to mitigate those headwinds.

This will buff out, give it time to play out.

Read MEC Chair letter!
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It has not. The company has been telegraphing that the Postal Contract has been a financial drag and not profitable enough for several quarters. This was always a very real possibility and now it is confirmed.

Across those financial quarters, most Postal comments at the earnings calls leaned towards postal contract=headwinds. They also stated that they are actively doing things to mitigate those headwinds.

This will buff out, give it time to play out.

Read MEC Chair letter!
Exactly. We've done it before.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...es/1942569001/
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