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04-16-2024, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bitwiser

You're spot on. And as a junior-ish pilot that could potentially be on any furlough chopping block, I'd much rather be furloughed than languish in 4a2c. That section of the contract helps the company a lot more than it helps us.

Same, would allow me to give another airline a shot and see where the grass is greener in a couple years.

04-16-2024, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel8

Emery furloughed and folded, and a number of other carriers were affected simarily after Fedex snatched the USPS contract from them all in a closed door deal with no outside negotiations allowed. Fedex regaled in the victory of their theft.

What comes around, goes around.

You have an odd sense of reality. Bitter sir? Were you harmed in some way by the FedEx USPS contract? Mail didn't show up? "Snatched" you say. Business savy I say.

04-16-2024, 01:46 PM

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Stan446

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Originally Posted by bitwiser

Really? Yep, I'd much rather be unemployed than have a reduced paycheck? "Languish" under 4a2b, not 4a2c. You look at any of whats going on in the airline industry? Hiring is down. You pretty much missed the wave and with the large numbers of 20-30 year olds hired, you'll be junior forever. But go ahead, jump.

04-16-2024, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JustInFacts

While I don't think that we will furlough, if you are at the very bottom of the seniority list, you should have alternate plans.

Of the bottom 120 pilots, only 16 of them are currently on the 777.

A furlough would take us out of 4a2b/c and give the company more scheduling flexibility.

Entry into 4a2c would probably be much more restrictive to the company than a furlough.

There is no restriction for draft or extra flying while pilots are on furlough.

Again, I don't think we will furlough, however, it is always good to have a plan.

If you've been in this industry long enough to see a furlough, it's an unwritten rule as a member of a union to not fly anything extra when your brothers are on the street.

04-16-2024, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by opt0712

If you've been in this industry long enough to see a furlough, it's an unwritten rule as a member of a union to not fly anything extra when your brothers are on the street.

justin h isn’t that guy, and there are many more like him.

04-16-2024, 03:49 PM

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RS said at the town hall that orange freight would replace usps freight and be more profitable. I mean RS talked it up for like 30 plus minutes. Later on in the Q&A JB was asked about a realignment bid and manning, JB started talking about reduced freight, then RS quickly corrected him, that orange freight thingy was going to replace usps freight. I mean, the circus was in town, and it was free. It was a comedy show. All the while PD sat on his stool like a party pooper. Such a disgrace. Bottom of the list? Yeah I would jump ship and not look back.

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04-16-2024, 03:53 PM

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Stan446

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Originally Posted by opt0712

If you've been in this industry long enough to see a furlough, it's an unwritten rule as a member of a union to not fly anything extra when your brothers are on the street.

But yet while we had record loads during contract negotiations, our , "brother" pilots worked overtime, padded their pockets and are now looking at a TA that they won't get. "Unity" my ass. Where's TC now with is words of wisdom? He's headed out the door.

04-16-2024, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan446

Hiring is indeed slowing. Delta is only gonna hire 1100 this year. I'm not worried about my employability in this market. I AM worried about 3-5 negotiating cycles where we are stuck 10-15% behind the other carriers all because we're scared about manning and are trying to incentivize retirements.

Sure let them put together a buyout, but I'm not voting yes on anything that asks me to work at a discount.

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04-16-2024, 04:22 PM

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JustInFacts

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Originally Posted by opt0712

If you've been in this industry long enough to see a furlough, it's an unwritten rule as a member of a union to not fly anything extra when your brothers are on the street.

Oh, I am aware of the unwritten rules. But what happens if we are still in negotiations at the time? Many on here have advocated that they must take draft or they will be participating in an illegal job action.

04-16-2024, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan446

But yet while we had record loads during contract negotiations, our , "brother" pilots worked overtime, padded their pockets and are now looking at a TA that they won't get. "Unity" my ass. Where's TC now with is words of wisdom? He's headed out the door.

That was you?