Loss of USPS contract…
#212
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Was his answer not palatable to the majority? Imagine if he'd said, 'your future here is in no doubt secure', 'you have nothing to worry about' (no matter how junior) 'everything's going to be fine' 'uncle Fred's going to take care of you and won't let anything happen', 'You have my word'
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#213
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#214
Was his answer not palatable to the majority? Imagine if he'd said, 'your future here is in no doubt secure', 'you have nothing to worry about' (no matter how junior) 'everything's going to be fine' 'uncle Fred's going to take care of you and won't anything happen', 'You have my word'
#215
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Those polls never asked, "what would you be willing to concede in order to get an FAE increase". Has nothing to do with the "new" majority -- plenty of people who were on property before 2016 thought the TA stunk, too.
#217
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Our polls didn't ask a lot of stuff. But the polls when we went into negotiations, 2yrs ago, favored pension improvements as number one. Pilot demographics changed and here we are. But our junior group wants it all while facing a loss of a USPS contract and all day flying going away. I guess TA1 wasn't so bad. Good luck getting anything close to that now. I've said it before, You'll get DL payrates at the loss of everything else, no scope, no QOL improvements. Seems pretty easy now from a company point of view. If you didn't think layoffs were coming, they are.
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Our polls didn't ask a lot of stuff. But the polls when we went into negotiations, 2yrs ago, favored pension improvements as number one. Pilot demographics changed and here we are. But our junior group wants it all while facing a loss of a USPS contract and all day flying going away. I guess TA1 wasn't so bad. Good luck getting anything close to that now. I've said it before, You'll get DL payrates at the loss of everything else, no scope, no QOL improvements. Seems pretty easy now from a company point of view. If you didn't think layoffs were coming, they are.
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Are layoffs coming? We were told today that as of now we expect to be overstaffed for one year. We were told that international flying will increase and there is ongoing discussion on pushing back retirement date of the MD11 in order to be in a position to secure opportunities that could present themselves. The truth is we still don't know where we are with staffing considering the loss of USPS, much of which was already planned to be pulled back and was accounted for in staffing models. Age 65 retirements are accellerating, attrition to other airlines continues at an indeterminable pace. Layoffs could happen but I don't think that is certain and claiming such is premature.
#219
In previous negotiations, the company was happy to compare us to top tier passenger carriers of which the pilots were making less than FDX pilots because it was cost effective to do so. now that we are being left in the dust, suddenly they only want to compare us to cargo pilots. third tier cargo pilots. this place i swear.
#220
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In previous negotiations, the company was happy to compare us to top tier passenger carriers of which the pilots were making less than FDX pilots because it was cost effective to do so. now that we are being left in the dust, suddenly they only want to compare us to cargo pilots. third tier cargo pilots. this place i swear.
If they want to pay us like cargo pilots, perhaps the same should apply to executive compensation.
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