Sluggo_63

This was kinda my point with my post. We have a group of pilots who look at IPA as the gold standard of unionism (and I agree, they are indeed unified and relentless with UPS upholding their CBA). These same pilots think that we’re just going to walk into negotiations with FedEx and they’re going to capitulate in raising the 2% multiplier, the $260,000 cap or both. They’re looking for the thing that IPA couldn’t achieve, hence the birth of their FDA DB plan.

tnkrdrvr

The laws governing DB plans are what make increasing the FAE or your $260,000 cap so cost prohibitive. Unfortunately, in trying to safeguard your pension, Congress has effectively made it unobtainable. The flat dollar is simply an end run around that. The downside is increases must be renegotiated with each contract alongside pay increases. The upside is it doesn’t eat up a huge chunk of the compensation pie. FedEx ALPA has never successfully negotiated a pension increase since Congress “fixed” pension law. My guess is they will have to find some way to do so that doesn’t require the company to make overly onerous commitments. Your MEC and NC will have to innovate.

Cowpoke

[QUOTE=tnkrdrvr;3790914] FedEx ALPA has never successfully negotiated a pension increase since Congress “fixed” pension law.


Well, technically, they did successfully negotiate a pension increase. But we didn’t like the trade offs involved so it failed to ratify. Chances of the new MEC and NC being able to consummate (yeah, I said it) a pension increase as well as Delta plus? I like their enthusiasm, I’ll say that.

Grumble

[QUOTE=Cowpoke;3790963]Weird how your biggest benefit (pension) has become the biggest anchor to your negotiating power.

The rate at which senior pilots were willing to throw the junior ones under the bus and sell out your scope protections for a few pieces of silver to their pension, was at a minimum, disgusting. The voting demographic break down was worth a PHD dissertation.

Stan446

[QUOTE=Grumble;3792144]Your right, no pilot should vote for something that benfits them as they retire, senior guys. But every pilot should vote to protect the junior guy. If you think a union has anyone's best interest at heart, you are wrong.

plzdontfireme

The union's job is to put the general interest of the pilot group over the individual interests of certain sections of the pilot group. TA1 favored individual interests over general interests. That's why it failed.

frozenboxhauler

Because that's what the polling data showed from 2016 through 2021. The "majority on the property" felt this way at the time. Now, with the "new" majority,...not so much.

Jamo

[QUOTE=Stan446;3792173]So glad your like is headed out the door. You obviously never understood the purpose of a union. But you sure reaped the benefits.

CloudSailor

Yeah, pretty much.

It failed because we finally have a majority of pilots who decided that this notion of selling away our QOL for payrates and retirement is not how it is done at any other airline. We had somehow convinced ourslevses of that here, unlike any other property for the last 15 years. But we opened our eyes to the rest of the industry, kind of like us joining a/c performance via ACARS from 25 years ago, and calling it NextGen.

We learned after the 2015 lesson!! of a mild-lukewarm endorsement of a cost-neutral contract to the company, in which our monetary gains were directly extracted from QOL items we gave up (which will always affect the junior more than the senior), and we will NEVER get back - among many... remember passover pay?

I am only glad to see our group having said No to repeating 2015 all over again. A 2015-like CBA, but with less-than-clear Scope concessions, among so many others concessions which were directly going to fund the A Plan increase for another cost-neutral, or worse, CBA hugely in the company's favor.

Our 99% unity vote is what really matters.

Moosefire

Our polls never asked "would you favor a pension improvement over pay parity or relaxed scope". They were far more general than that.