Loss of USPS contract…
#151
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
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Posts: 246
I'll say it again. Find an old United guy and ask him what a pension's worth....
I've been advocating to get rid of it for 22 years. I do not count it in my financial planning. I will not have my finances tied to Fedex's management until I die.
We voted that down. Lord knows what's coming next.
I've been advocating to get rid of it for 22 years. I do not count it in my financial planning. I will not have my finances tied to Fedex's management until I die.
We voted that down. Lord knows what's coming next.
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#152
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2023
Posts: 438
I'll say it again. Find an old United guy and ask him what a pension's worth....
I've been advocating to get rid of it for 22 years. I do not count it in my financial planning. I will not have my finances tied to Fedex's management until I die.
We voted that down. Lord knows what's coming next.
I've been advocating to get rid of it for 22 years. I do not count it in my financial planning. I will not have my finances tied to Fedex's management until I die.
We voted that down. Lord knows what's coming next.
#153
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Joined APC: Jun 2023
Posts: 33
That's called controlling expectations... makes you look like you didn't fumble the deal if you don't get it. All C-Suites do this.
Or do you believe that if they say something repeatedly it has to be true?
Management has also repeatedly said that TA2023 was fair even though they would have been popping bottles on hacks cross had it passed.
The reality is that they either intentionally let the contract go or they more likely failed to sit down with USPS and figure out what USPS really wanted from them going forward. However it sounds like UPS did, and now they're going to be hiring almost 10% of their pilot group in 12 months to cover the additional flying that was formerly done by us....
If you want to help management sell their narrative of "this is a win, or at least a wash" for FedEx, go right ahead. But the reality is: they blew it, big time.
Or do you believe that if they say something repeatedly it has to be true?
Management has also repeatedly said that TA2023 was fair even though they would have been popping bottles on hacks cross had it passed.
The reality is that they either intentionally let the contract go or they more likely failed to sit down with USPS and figure out what USPS really wanted from them going forward. However it sounds like UPS did, and now they're going to be hiring almost 10% of their pilot group in 12 months to cover the additional flying that was formerly done by us....
If you want to help management sell their narrative of "this is a win, or at least a wash" for FedEx, go right ahead. But the reality is: they blew it, big time.
Go ahead and keep spiking the ball on the 1 yard line like you and the rest of the 9-10 geniuses on the MEC, labor discord didn't drive the USPS away but it may have played a factor in the C-suite lining up the long term fight at hand so that you and your lackeys think you can wish a deal and hope in the other hand that somehow pilot staffing will cause stress and a deal....well that's gone so what is your plan now? Asking really hard and putting up mean tweets and billboards saying we are owed it because Raj gets paid ?
Good luck, we are all watching the ones holding the tiller and according to the recent messages the next 2 week MEC meeting will bring us a plan of plans, popcorn is being prepared.
#154
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Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 106
Wow, with all that time on your hands I guess you have been brought into the inner workings of this Company ? You sure vomit a lot of "facts" with ZERO backing. This Company operated profitably now and just fine before the USPS deal and will after. Back in 2000's FedEx saw an opportunity to pitch a one stop shop to the USPS and at the same time not have to buy any aircraft to service it, just add bodies. The day network does however affect our actual FedEx "express" network as we must adjust flight times, pick up times etc due to the day side requirements. It is without debate fact, that the execs have broadcast the fact that they wanted to increase the margin. This is an AIR FREIGHT contract, hence the pilot need for UPS, not trucking as the USPS has other means to contract line haul via ground.
Go ahead and keep spiking the ball on the 1 yard line like you and the rest of the 9-10 geniuses on the MEC, labor discord didn't drive the USPS away but it may have played a factor in the C-suite lining up the long term fight at hand so that you and your lackeys think you can wish a deal and hope in the other hand that somehow pilot staffing will cause stress and a deal....well that's gone so what is your plan now? Asking really hard and putting up mean tweets and billboards saying we are owed it because Raj gets paid ?
Good luck, we are all watching the ones holding the tiller and according to the recent messages the next 2 week MEC meeting will bring us a plan of plans, popcorn is being prepared.
Go ahead and keep spiking the ball on the 1 yard line like you and the rest of the 9-10 geniuses on the MEC, labor discord didn't drive the USPS away but it may have played a factor in the C-suite lining up the long term fight at hand so that you and your lackeys think you can wish a deal and hope in the other hand that somehow pilot staffing will cause stress and a deal....well that's gone so what is your plan now? Asking really hard and putting up mean tweets and billboards saying we are owed it because Raj gets paid ?
Good luck, we are all watching the ones holding the tiller and according to the recent messages the next 2 week MEC meeting will bring us a plan of plans, popcorn is being prepared.
#155
CHILLAX
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 124
And Fedex is not a $90B company, rather $67B market cap directly taken from Investor Relations site, and that’s only because the stock price recently surged. Again, don’t confuse revenue with market cap.
The USPS contract is for a minimum of 5.5 years. By the time this initial period lapses, we will be in full force retirements. Hiring extra pilots now helps us handle the extra volume today while adding bodies for peak retirements later, IOW, we won’t need to get rid of extra bodies if USPS isn’t extended in 5.5 years. And people keep throwing around 320-340 pilots, it is not! It is 170 for now, with the plan to reevaluate the need for more once the dust settles.
There are two things that are very clear at UPS. They don’t hire a single more body than they need and they protect their profitability targets very heavily, extremely shrewd company. They will be able to absorb this USPS volume by leveraging mostly existing assets, unlike Fedex when they started the USPS contract. The one article states it perfectly, this is a win-win for everyone. Fedex gets to divest a lot of their Express operation, reduce costs and their footprint, the USPS gets another large partner at a fair cost, and UPS absorbs this new revenue stream into their system with very little cost increase.
Last edited by Cachaco; 04-07-2024 at 08:12 AM.
#156
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Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,360
Wow, with all that time on your hands I guess you have been brought into the inner workings of this Company ? You sure vomit a lot of "facts" with ZERO backing. This Company operated profitably now and just fine before the USPS deal and will after. Back in 2000's FedEx saw an opportunity to pitch a one stop shop to the USPS and at the same time not have to buy any aircraft to service it, just add bodies. The day network does however affect our actual FedEx "express" network as we must adjust flight times, pick up times etc due to the day side requirements. It is without debate fact, that the execs have broadcast the fact that they wanted to increase the margin. This is an AIR FREIGHT contract, hence the pilot need for UPS, not trucking as the USPS has other means to contract line haul via ground.
Go ahead and keep spiking the ball on the 1 yard line like you and the rest of the 9-10 geniuses on the MEC, labor discord didn't drive the USPS away but it may have played a factor in the C-suite lining up the long term fight at hand so that you and your lackeys think you can wish a deal and hope in the other hand that somehow pilot staffing will cause stress and a deal....well that's gone so what is your plan now? Asking really hard and putting up mean tweets and billboards saying we are owed it because Raj gets paid ?
Good luck, we are all watching the ones holding the tiller and according to the recent messages the next 2 week MEC meeting will bring us a plan of plans, popcorn is being prepared.
Go ahead and keep spiking the ball on the 1 yard line like you and the rest of the 9-10 geniuses on the MEC, labor discord didn't drive the USPS away but it may have played a factor in the C-suite lining up the long term fight at hand so that you and your lackeys think you can wish a deal and hope in the other hand that somehow pilot staffing will cause stress and a deal....well that's gone so what is your plan now? Asking really hard and putting up mean tweets and billboards saying we are owed it because Raj gets paid ?
Good luck, we are all watching the ones holding the tiller and according to the recent messages the next 2 week MEC meeting will bring us a plan of plans, popcorn is being prepared.
Glad APC is the place to come for facts
#157
CHILLAX
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 124
Indeed. And one of the reasons why Fedex is struggling with margins. Too much capacity. Good for the pilots, not so good for profitability, hence all the changes going on.
#158
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 1,066
I'll say it again. Find an old United guy and ask him what a pension's worth....
I've been advocating to get rid of it for 22 years. I do not count it in my financial planning. I will not have my finances tied to Fedex's management until I die.
We voted that down. Lord knows what's coming next.
I've been advocating to get rid of it for 22 years. I do not count it in my financial planning. I will not have my finances tied to Fedex's management until I die.
We voted that down. Lord knows what's coming next.
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