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Old 04-05-2024, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
Strange that UPS, a fully unionized and better-paid operation across the board, can make money on postal and Amazon while FDX cannot. Poor manglement perhaps?
UPS ability to win contracts and manage freight is not to be underestimated. Their entire existence started with ground shipping.
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Old 04-05-2024, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
UPS ability to win contracts and manage freight is not to be underestimated. Their entire existence started with ground shipping.
which is why they're going to hire 340 pilots in the next twelve months to handle all of the "unprofitable" flying they just assumed from a company that has a cheaper, non unionized ground shipping network.

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Old 04-05-2024, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
UPS ability to win contracts and manage freight is not to be underestimated. Their entire existence started with ground shipping.
But yet UPS failed to secure the USPS contract for decades.
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Old 04-05-2024, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
But yet UPS failed to secure the USPS contract for decades.
It seems like it literally took our management fumbling the bag for them to get it. Embarrassing.

Unless..... maybe it was intentional?

If it was intentional, what's the planned path forward?

Do we shift to become more of an ACMI?

or are they going to DHL-ify this whole company and work towards contracting out most, if not 100% of all of air operations?

Our weak scope is really starting to bite us in the a** for sure.
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Old 04-05-2024, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by plzdontfireme
which is why they're going to hire 340 pilots in the next two months to handle all of the "unprofitable" flying they just assumed from a company that has a cheaper, non unionized ground shipping network.
Gotta love APC. 340 pilots in the next two months? 🤦‍♂️
Worst part is, someone is going to be stupid enough to assume that's true.
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Gotta love APC. 340 pilots in the next two months? 🤦‍♂️
Worst part is, someone is going to be stupid enough to assume that's true.
whoooooooooops, 12 months. Thanks for the spell check, it's been fixed.
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Old 04-05-2024, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
But yet UPS failed to secure the USPS contract for decades.
they have it now.

The guy who graduated dead last in his class from medical school?

Today he is called Doctor
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Old 04-05-2024, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by plzdontfireme
It seems like it literally took our management fumbling the bag for them to get it. Embarrassing.

Unless..... maybe it was intentional?

If it was intentional, what's the planned path forward?

Do we shift to become more of an ACMI?

or are they going to DHL-ify this whole company and work towards contracting out most, if not 100% of all of air operations?

Our weak scope is really starting to bite us in the a** for sure.
Management repeatedly said leading up to this decision that they would only renew on favorable terms to the company. Please don’t make this more than it is.
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Old 04-05-2024, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Moneybags
Management repeatedly said leading up to this decision that they would only renew on favorable terms to the company. Please don’t make this more than it is.
That's called controlling expectations... makes you look like you didn't fumble the deal if you don't get it. All C-Suites do this.

Or do you believe that if they say something repeatedly it has to be true?

Management has also repeatedly said that TA2023 was fair even though they would have been popping bottles on hacks cross had it passed.

The reality is that they either intentionally let the contract go or they more likely failed to sit down with USPS and figure out what USPS really wanted from them going forward. However it sounds like UPS did, and now they're going to be hiring almost 10% of their pilot group in 12 months to cover the additional flying that was formerly done by us....

If you want to help management sell their narrative of "this is a win, or at least a wash" for FedEx, go right ahead. But the reality is: they blew it, big time.

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Old 04-05-2024, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by plzdontfireme
It seems like it literally took our management fumbling the bag for them to get it. Embarrassing.

Unless..... maybe it was intentional?

If it was intentional, what's the planned path forward?

Do we shift to become more of an ACMI?
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"Tricolor" sounds like a new shift to answering your ACMI question regarding a few strategies. Orange and white is a guess and you now have an imbedded ACMI fellow. Hmmm, interesting to say the least.
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