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Old 04-04-2024, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
Did that guy just say we’ve been flying USPS routes without USPS mail on them because FedEx has to? So all those boxes and trucks on the ramp with “USPS” written on them are just FedEx freight disguised as mail???

FedEx boned the deal up, per the usual. Plain and simple.
Comments like yours are why I have full faith this pilot group will never get its act together long enough to negotiate another contract. The ability to simply ignore legal financial statements that clearly state we have been losing money on the postal contract ever since the Post Office reduced its air shipments by 95% in the last two years is a rare gift seemingly reserved for people hired to fly Purple Tails. Maybe the company made that a hiring goal.
First question on the application “Do you have even the slightest idea how to read financial disclosures? If not, please continue filling out the rest of the app. We want you.”.
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Old 04-04-2024, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock
Comments like yours are why I have full faith this pilot group will never get its act together long enough to negotiate another contract. The ability to simply ignore legal financial statements that clearly state we have been losing money on the postal contract ever since the Post Office reduced its air shipments by 95% in the last two years is a rare gift seemingly reserved for people hired to fly Purple Tails. Maybe the company made that a hiring goal.
First question on the application “Do you have even the slightest idea how to read financial disclosures? If not, please continue filling out the rest of the app. We want you.”.
The company also hired all the clueless guys who voted yes on TA1 or who have been here 15-30+ years that think that our guys who left for UAL are getting furloughed or forced into lines that don't pay min guarantee. There's cluelessness at all levels in this pilot group.
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Old 04-05-2024, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by plzdontfireme

UPS pilots cracked this nut already. They've managed to increase their pension and increase the DC fund steadily. Meanwhile we wasted 3 years trying to reinvent the wheel and our final product had four 90 degree angles in it.
I already discussed how our pension is worth more at 25 years. Their Flat Dollar Benefit has to be renewed every contract. So you can’t count on that being your pension value. No thanks.

I’d prefer a bigger lump sum retirement that doesn’t end when me and my wife die.
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Old 04-05-2024, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Moneybags
I already discussed how our pension is worth more at 25 years. Their Flat Dollar Benefit has to be renewed every contract. So you can’t count on that being your pension value. No thanks.
Just a cost saving formality...no worries

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I’d prefer a bigger lump sum retirement that doesn’t end when me and my wife die.
Isnt there a guaranteed term payment option on your pension?
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Old 04-05-2024, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Moneybags

I’d prefer a bigger lump sum retirement that doesn’t end when me and my wife die.
Another benifit of the lump sum that I haven't seen talked about is if you are ready to retire at an age less than 60 you don't have to wait to get your full retirement. There is no 3% cut for each year prior to age 60. There also isn't a survivor benefir reduction with a lump sum. Because of my wifes age it costs me 25K to leave her with 100% ie I have to work to 60 and I only get 105k. Lump sum buy out option looks pretty good to me.
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Old 04-05-2024, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Maddog64
Another benifit of the lump sum that I haven't seen talked about is if you are ready to retire at an age less than 60 you don't have to wait to get your full retirement. There is no 3% cut for each year prior to age 60. There also isn't a survivor benefir reduction with a lump sum. Because of my wifes age it costs me 25K to leave her with 100% ie I have to work to 60 and I only get 105k. Lump sum buy out option looks pretty good to me.
Would you get +3% for any years past 60? Is this a real option or just speculation for now?
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Old 04-05-2024, 05:49 AM
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Under our current contract you can't retire until age 55 and for every year prior to age 60 the company reduces your payout by 3%. I haven't heard about any changes except the FAE cap that was voted down in the TA
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Old 04-05-2024, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Rock
Comments like yours are why I have full faith this pilot group will never get its act together long enough to negotiate another contract. The ability to simply ignore legal financial statements that clearly state we have been losing money on the postal contract ever since the Post Office reduced its air shipments by 95% in the last two years is a rare gift seemingly reserved for people hired to fly Purple Tails. Maybe the company made that a hiring goal.
First question on the application “Do you have even the slightest idea how to read financial disclosures? If not, please continue filling out the rest of the app. We want you.”.
I don’t need to read 10-Ks, 10-Qs, and other SEC filings to know we still have mail on our planes, Rock
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Old 04-05-2024, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jetlaggy
Would you get +3% for any years past 60? Is this a real option or just speculation for now?
Yes one benefit of the MBCBP is the money is yours when you retire or leave the company. And no you do not get +3% in the pension after 60.

Originally Posted by jetlaggy
Just a cost saving formality...no worries

Isnt there a guaranteed term payment option on your pension?
Cost saving formality... sounds great. No thank you. If it has to be renewed/negotiated in the future, then it doesn't exist. And it also appears to give the company an out when times are tough.

There is a term payment option but you can only have one beneficiary. So to my point, both me and my wife die on our first retirement vacation, the kiddos get nothing. That's roughly $2 million dollars that vanishes and the company recoups.
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Old 04-05-2024, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Moneybags
There is a term payment option but you can only have one beneficiary. So to my point, both me and my wife die on our first retirement vacation, the kiddos get nothing. That's roughly $2 million dollars that vanishes and the company recoups.
Can you simply make your estate the beneficiary?
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