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Old 04-14-2024, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
We don't need seniority based trading. We just need to stop backdoor deals with schedulers and remove PNP.
If not seniority based, real time trading needs to happen at a minimum. No more of this "submit a request and wait 5 to 605 minutes for them to process" nonsense.
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Old 04-14-2024, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
We don't need seniority based trading. We just need to stop backdoor deals with schedulers and remove PNP.
Yes, 100%

I'd even say get rid of GMU and all limitations on adding/swapping once Open Time goes live. (I say that, getting close to 2,000 hours of GMU, with no mil leave.)

Protect seniority during the View/Add window.

Let guys fly as much or as little as they want. All trip trading on a first come - first served basis, and automated. Remove CRS from the equation. It benefits the company, and us.

Ask any other top-tier airline if they need to wait over 5 hours (VIPS server too busy) for a trip drop, swap or pickup. We are absolutely LASTGen when it comes to our 'bid line adjustments' limitations.
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Old 04-14-2024, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
We don't need seniority based trading. We just need to stop backdoor deals with schedulers and remove PNP.
I’d like seniority based open time until the first day of the bid month. I don’t even participate in OT on release day because I’ve never beat the time stamp of someone else or VIPS is busy. It shouldn’t come down to nanoseconds or a reliable server to manipulate my schedule.

I say that as someone junior and will be for at least a decade.
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Old 04-14-2024, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy
I’d like seniority based open time until the first day of the bid month. I don’t even participate in OT on release day because I’ve never beat the time stamp of someone else or VIPS is busy. It shouldn’t come down to nanoseconds or a reliable server to manipulate my schedule.

I say that as someone junior and will be for at least a decade.
What airlines have seniority based opentime?
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Old 04-14-2024, 04:50 PM
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What airlines have seniority based opentime?
Atlas for one. OT is awarded by seat/base first then system wide if no one in the base is awarded it.
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Old 04-14-2024, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BrulesRulez
What airlines have seniority based opentime?
UPS has it for 1 day. After that fastest finger.
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Old 04-14-2024, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdsmash
Atlas for one. OT is awarded by seat/base first then system wide if no one in the base is awarded it.
"This is the way!" One of the few things seniority can give you at Giant, but it does have it's monthly/hrs limit I believe. Although senior enough I don't partake - well that's a lie, I did once and got screwed by being extended for several days. Ton of cash in the end, but it became painful which was just my luck. Still nice knowing if I need a cash injection I can nab it in most cases.
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Old 04-15-2024, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by plzdontfireme
Sounds like you'd like some seniority based trading? That might be where we find some common ground.
Senior guys have had their chance at the best lines, bid LCA's, the best training slots, the best vacations, the best view add. They have had their chance to make their best schedules. Open time should NOT be seniority based, the way it works is just fine, if you want to put in the work to better your schedule. We already have industry bottom reserve rules that the junior guys like me have to live with and the senior guys never wanted to fix.


With that said, real time trip trading would be great. We need that. But the same players would still get the trips because at the end of the day, they are still faster and on open time 24/7. Now extensions are a different story.
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Old 04-15-2024, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jetlaggy
UPS has it for 1 day. After that fastest finger.
Line Improvement Trip Trade isn't opentime.
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Old 04-15-2024, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cargoforlife
Senior guys have had their chance at the best lines, bid LCA's, the best training slots, the best vacations, the best view add. They have had their chance to make their best schedules. Open time should NOT be seniority based, the way it works is just fine, if you want to put in the work to better your schedule. We already have industry bottom reserve rules that the junior guys like me have to live with and the senior guys never wanted to fix.


With that said, real time trip trading would be great. We need that. But the same players would still get the trips because at the end of the day, they are still faster and on open time 24/7. Now extensions are a different story.
I understand the point you’re trying to make. But I’ve been here seven years and I have never received a trip on the day of open time release. Never had that problem before FedEx with seniority based OT. I’ve submitted using the atomic clock in the background and still get beat on the time stamp. 100% of the time.
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