Originally Posted by Maddog64

Blocks 2 and 5 wanted to remove the NC and cancel the January sessions, that's how it would have slowed things down. My guess is it would have canned more than just January. Not sure how long it would take to get a new negotiation team and train them but probably at least a couple of months.

Originally Posted by Rock

The strike authorization was a statement of unity. Nothing more. It was a good statement. But its usefulness ended the minute we rejected TA 1.0. 99% unity dissolved into a food fight of warring factions that have split the union into multiple pieces.

Because you remain clueless on the RLA (and shame on you for that) you don't know that the teamsters are not covered by the RLA. We are. That changes the battlefield completely. Please educate yourself. Seriously. You've got a lot of energy. It would be so much more effective for all concerned if you'd add some real world knowledge to it.

Customers aren't stupid. Less stupid than some of us apparently. They understand how the RLA negates unions like ours from striking. That's why when unions associated with passenger carriers threaten to strike, it hardly makes a ripple in their revenue. Watch what happens with American flight attendants. Haven't heard about that? Ask yourself why. And do a little research into how their efforts to strike are going. They're flight attendants. Do you really think we'd have more luck being released to strike at a cargo airline that (at least until September) carries US Mail and has military contracts? Please. Educate yourself.

If you really cared about your job, you'd research the steps required in the NMB process before we could strike. Once you did that, you'd realize why it's simply an empty threat. And everyone but apparently some of our pilots understand that. In the meantime, the company thanks us every single day for voting to extend our 2015 CBA. Right when they needed help countering lost revenue, we stepped up to the plate and agreed to a multi-year freeze on pay and benefits. We could not have done them a bigger favor. And the longer they can delay a new TA, the happier they are. Fortunately for them, we're doing the hard work of dismantling our union for them. All they have to do is sit back and watch the chaos. Brilliant.

Originally Posted by Tuck

Council 7 message out - "cost neutral" - that means $0 from last Jun, which means it's got less value since it's 6 plus months later. Man where's that new TA the Company suppposedly had in their hip pocket, because you know, "you always vote no on the first TA". Not looking so good right now.

Originally Posted by Tuck

Council 7 message out - "cost neutral" - that means $0 from last Jun.

Originally Posted by Maddog64

Block 5 rep was put on NOQ because he broke company social media policy when he posted is rant after being told not to. He didn't follow ALPA policy and it got him in trouble.

Originally Posted by kwri10s

It already was.

Originally Posted by DLax85

Thank you for the long lecture. It’s clear to me now how “I” am the company shill, and we should just capitulate now.

The problems with TA1.0 were multifaceted. The needed corrections are multifaceted as well. That doesn’t mean they are insurmountable.

Yes - Unity is on us, and will first require all to listen. Then act together.

VR,
DLax

Originally Posted by Rock

You have evidence managment is running the "Silent Majority" group? I'd love to see it. Let's make that public.

Originally Posted by Rock

You have evidence managment is running the "Silent Majority" group? I'd love to see it. Let's make that public.

Originally Posted by Maddog64

Block 5 rep was put on NOQ because he broke company social media policy when he posted is rant after being told not to. He didn't follow ALPA policy and it got him in trouble.

Originally Posted by Herkguy80

You are joking right? Are you that clueless? A guy is literally NOQ for exposing it.

Originally Posted by Rock

I don't think you're a company shill. I just think you're doing them a favor by continuing to remain ignorant about how negotiations under the NMB work. Of course the needed corrections aren't insurmountable. But you can't attack an enemy with an army you wish you had. Instead, you have to understand the weapons you control and how to use them to take down your opponent. Instead of being the Polish horse cavalry charging German armor, maybe try being the guy who took down Achilles. The company has weak spots we can exploit. Telling them "give us what we want or we're going to strike" just makes us look stupid. And with all the chaos we've displayed since we voted down TA 1, we don't need much help looking stupid.