Any reason to stay at FedEx 40s or younger?
11-10-2023, 01:05 PM
#81
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No, They just see you always ****ed off, hence the PSA offer, good fit for you. Sorry your ***** hurts because the TA didn't meet your expectations. A TA that didn't meet the members needs, voted down, and now this place suddenly sucks? All that overtime gone and suddenly life isn't so great. Maybe some resolve while we were negotiating would have helped. DL, UA, get a contract they liked first time around, nope. Sorry collective barganing just doesn't suit your sour disposition.
11-10-2023, 01:43 PM
#82
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That's what my Dad flew baurs for each Holiday ck in the day because he was probably bidding top 5% on the MD80 and he did that post 2000. But if you want something similar, my buddy who recently upgraded got his first reserve trip off of IOE in the left seat and it was DFW-Palm Springs-DFW - New Orleans. That is brutal.
I'm bidding around 85% and the I've scored weekend layovers similar to what I mentioned in Grand Junction, Birmingham, Newburg New York, Syracuse (4 day layover) and OKC this year. In March I had 0 hours of leveling. In April I also bid an RB line for the month and had maybe 2 airport standbys for the month. This month I'm doing Bloomington Illinois. So yes... This is the norm. I don't want to fly 15 legs a week and I don't. I bet I do a little bit more next month just to bid around Christmas... By the way, I got the 4rth of July off twice, Thanksgiving twice, Christmas, New Years, and Easter all off and that's as a junior captain. I've never worked a Christmas or Fourth of July at FedEx and only worked my first Thanksgiving because we hadn't moved to Memphis yet. Am I going to be getting those off at United bidding CA as a new hire? Maybe in 10 years...
You can call this a best case scenario, but we chose to move here. It works great for us and we love living here. I will say this, I need to live where I work. It's the way we view things, so if I change jobs I need to move so that I'll be around and can have the flexibility that lets me build my schedule the way that I do. I can't imagine living in SFO or around EWR so that I can take first avialable upgrade. I'll say this too, I'm sure thankful others don't view it that way or I'd be back in the right seat of the 767.
I'm bidding around 85% and the I've scored weekend layovers similar to what I mentioned in Grand Junction, Birmingham, Newburg New York, Syracuse (4 day layover) and OKC this year. In March I had 0 hours of leveling. In April I also bid an RB line for the month and had maybe 2 airport standbys for the month. This month I'm doing Bloomington Illinois. So yes... This is the norm. I don't want to fly 15 legs a week and I don't. I bet I do a little bit more next month just to bid around Christmas... By the way, I got the 4rth of July off twice, Thanksgiving twice, Christmas, New Years, and Easter all off and that's as a junior captain. I've never worked a Christmas or Fourth of July at FedEx and only worked my first Thanksgiving because we hadn't moved to Memphis yet. Am I going to be getting those off at United bidding CA as a new hire? Maybe in 10 years...
You can call this a best case scenario, but we chose to move here. It works great for us and we love living here. I will say this, I need to live where I work. It's the way we view things, so if I change jobs I need to move so that I'll be around and can have the flexibility that lets me build my schedule the way that I do. I can't imagine living in SFO or around EWR so that I can take first avialable upgrade. I'll say this too, I'm sure thankful others don't view it that way or I'd be back in the right seat of the 767.
11-10-2023, 02:12 PM
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Personally, I don't want 5.15 hours of extra pay. My kids are 8 and 3. In 10 years when I'd finally be able to hold those holidays off, my kids won't care about me being there anymore. That is a very nice perk though and I'm glad that the AA pilots are doing so well now. I know it was decades that management screwed yall over. I can remember my Dad supporting the pay cuts to keep the airline afloat after 911 and then having the managers screw it up so bad that they went bankrupt. Thankfully my Dad took a lump sum on his pension about a year before that happened. Trust me, if I were in the bottom 1000 here and hadn't moved to Memphis, heck yeah I'd leave FedEx for AA. Then I'd just move from where I was living to Dallas (home). Would you rather be on the bottom at FedEx or AA? It's not complicated!
11-10-2023, 02:16 PM
#84
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No, They just see you always ****ed off, hence the PSA offer, good fit for you. Sorry your ***** hurts because the TA didn't meet your expectations. A TA that didn't meet the members needs, voted down, and now this place suddenly sucks? All that overtime gone and suddenly life isn't so great. Maybe some resolve while we were negotiating would have helped. DL, UA, get a contract they liked first time around, nope. Sorry collective barganing just doesn't suit your sour disposition.
So yes, some of us are ****ed off.
11-11-2023, 03:43 PM
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Stan ... majority of our pilot group was extremely bothered by a concessionary TA outshined by, at the time, Delta's concession-free contract, and now the other majors' concession-free contracts. And then there's the heartburn with scope. Also, nodbody from the top has outright explained what DRIVE (all capitals, no definition yet) means for us.
So yes, some of us are ****ed off.
So yes, some of us are ****ed off.
Since managment has said what DRIVE is I will do my best to explain it.
Fedex made insane amount of money during COVID and spent money like drunken sailors. Now that the shipping and freight volumes have normalized we need to try and keep those profits up. So we will cut back everywhere to try and boost earnings for our shareholders and to please the analyst who want to compare a COVID quarter to a post COVID quarter.
For flight OPS They over hired because the bean counters hated all the over time they were paying. So Flight OPS hired like there would not be an end to COVID. Now things have normalized we are over manned. Plus management was hoping for a contract and that more than normal amount of senior pilots would have retired and fixed some of thier overmanning problems.
So the sky isn't falling.
The PAX carriers are doing what we did during COVID. The show is going to slow down or stop eventually. Their management went to the same MBA cost cutting classes so expect the same.
11-12-2023, 02:04 AM
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Since managment has said what DRIVE is I will do my best to explain it.
Fedex made insane amount of money during COVID and spent money like drunken sailors. Now that the shipping and freight volumes have normalized we need to try and keep those profits up. So we will cut back everywhere to try and boost earnings for our shareholders and to please the analyst who want to compare a COVID quarter to a post COVID quarter.
For flight OPS They over hired because the bean counters hated all the over time they were paying. So Flight OPS hired like there would not be an end to COVID. Now things have normalized we are over manned. Plus management was hoping for a contract and that more than normal amount of senior pilots would have retired and fixed some of thier overmanning problems.
So the sky isn't falling.
The PAX carriers are doing what we did during COVID. The show is going to slow down or stop eventually. Their management went to the same MBA cost cutting classes so expect the same.
Fedex made insane amount of money during COVID and spent money like drunken sailors. Now that the shipping and freight volumes have normalized we need to try and keep those profits up. So we will cut back everywhere to try and boost earnings for our shareholders and to please the analyst who want to compare a COVID quarter to a post COVID quarter.
For flight OPS They over hired because the bean counters hated all the over time they were paying. So Flight OPS hired like there would not be an end to COVID. Now things have normalized we are over manned. Plus management was hoping for a contract and that more than normal amount of senior pilots would have retired and fixed some of thier overmanning problems.
So the sky isn't falling.
The PAX carriers are doing what we did during COVID. The show is going to slow down or stop eventually. Their management went to the same MBA cost cutting classes so expect the same.
We are “overmanned” in certain fleets. When the company decides to be on par with their industry peer (UPS) and offer early retirements and LOAs, I will treat the “overmanned” hype with credibility.
Until then, my best guess is the company wants to move from on par with UPS to more on par with an ACMI. This will significantly lower their labor costs and solve any future hiring problem (read Purple will be the new stepping stone to UPS or Legacy).
Glad we voted down TA1.0 and each day passes gives me hope that TA1.1 (TA1.0 with better pay rate) is DOA
11-12-2023, 05:15 AM
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Since managment has said what DRIVE is I will do my best to explain it.
Fedex made insane amount of money during COVID and spent money like drunken sailors. Now that the shipping and freight volumes have normalized we need to try and keep those profits up. So we will cut back everywhere to try and boost earnings for our shareholders and to please the analyst who want to compare a COVID quarter to a post COVID quarter.
For flight OPS They over hired because the bean counters hated all the over time they were paying. So Flight OPS hired like there would not be an end to COVID. Now things have normalized we are over manned. Plus management was hoping for a contract and that more than normal amount of senior pilots would have retired and fixed some of thier overmanning problems.
So the sky isn't falling.
The PAX carriers are doing what we did during COVID. The show is going to slow down or stop eventually. Their management went to the same MBA cost cutting classes so expect the same.
Fedex made insane amount of money during COVID and spent money like drunken sailors. Now that the shipping and freight volumes have normalized we need to try and keep those profits up. So we will cut back everywhere to try and boost earnings for our shareholders and to please the analyst who want to compare a COVID quarter to a post COVID quarter.
For flight OPS They over hired because the bean counters hated all the over time they were paying. So Flight OPS hired like there would not be an end to COVID. Now things have normalized we are over manned. Plus management was hoping for a contract and that more than normal amount of senior pilots would have retired and fixed some of thier overmanning problems.
So the sky isn't falling.
The PAX carriers are doing what we did during COVID. The show is going to slow down or stop eventually. Their management went to the same MBA cost cutting classes so expect the same.
11-12-2023, 03:30 PM
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I think the overmanned comment is incomplete.
We are “overmanned” in certain fleets. When the company decides to be on par with their industry peer (UPS) and offer early retirements and LOAs, I will treat the “overmanned” hype with credibility.
Until then, my best guess is the company wants to move from on par with UPS to more on par with an ACMI. This will significantly lower their labor costs and solve any future hiring problem (read Purple will be the new stepping stone to UPS or Legacy).
Glad we voted down TA1.0 and each day passes gives me hope that TA1.1 (TA1.0 with better pay rate) is DOA
We are “overmanned” in certain fleets. When the company decides to be on par with their industry peer (UPS) and offer early retirements and LOAs, I will treat the “overmanned” hype with credibility.
Until then, my best guess is the company wants to move from on par with UPS to more on par with an ACMI. This will significantly lower their labor costs and solve any future hiring problem (read Purple will be the new stepping stone to UPS or Legacy).
Glad we voted down TA1.0 and each day passes gives me hope that TA1.1 (TA1.0 with better pay rate) is DOA
11-12-2023, 03:38 PM
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Yep, it’s all part of the game! If the company really wanted manning to go down they would offer LOA’s. Give people the option to take a 2 year LOA and keep longevity/seniority and that will fix everything in a heartbeat. Most junior people would jump to a legacy and see how everything looks down the road.
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