Any reason to stay at FedEx 40s or younger?
11-08-2023, 04:50 AM
#42
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Pull your head out of the sand. It's happening right in front of your eyes
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/ex...ralias-pionair
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/ex...ralias-pionair
Pionair owns 10-BAE146s and 1-E190. They fly within Australia, New Zealand and Pacific Islands.
ASL is going to bring in one 737-800. Just one! FedEx mainline pilots aren't going to be deadheaded to AUS or domiciled there for us to fly regional air cargo routes.
I checked Flightradar24's history and PH was flying two BAE146s from SYD-MEL. Most likely that's what the 737 will be used for.
The sky is not falling. ASL isn't taking mainline FedEx pilot jobs away, yet. I'm not naive to believe that it can't happen to us. But it is not happening at this time.
11-08-2023, 05:10 AM
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Some very solid points above. Im as strong of a No voters as there was but it’s important to keep in context that there has not been a seismic shift in partner lift. While it certainly exists nearly all of this flying has been going on since I got hired in 2016. Some cities added, some changed, but ASL/WestAtlantic are not new, nor is using belly freight.
Now I’m certainly not advocating for loosening our scope further. But if contracted parter lift is your reason for leaving “today” it’s important to realize that it’s nothing new here.
Now I’m certainly not advocating for loosening our scope further. But if contracted parter lift is your reason for leaving “today” it’s important to realize that it’s nothing new here.
11-08-2023, 06:00 AM
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I suggest you get out of the industry all together. If you can't handle one contract negotiation then you won't fare well at any airline. Are you going to crap your pants at every hint of furlough or concessionary contract at a legacy? Fedex pilots have turned down their first TA ever and that should be a matter of pride to the majority. We are in negotiations which is a part of doing business. UA dumped their first TA and it took a few years to get a better one, the same is going to happen here. Just because UA has the largest WB fleet, doesn't mean you'll ever see it at this point in their hiring process, let alone as a captain. Pretty certain with 5.5 yrs at FX you'll be a WB captain for a very long time. If you hate night hub turns then I get it and perhaps another life is for you but read a few of the other forums. DL management basically said they are going to interpret contract work rules to their benefit and the union can grieve it. So everything isn't roses at the legacies. Management throws out a PSA letter and guys panic, typical negotiating tactics by management.
11-08-2023, 06:19 AM
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Oh, the ol' "FedEx has a pension, wide bodies, and vacation and never furloughs" rebuttal. While the things you say are not incorrect (I'll throw you that bone) we can't keep making these one-sided comparisons. It would be fair to chalk up some positives other carriers have too. And this is where the peanut gallery chimes in with "furloughs aren't a positive to me, LOL".
What I'm getting at is there are literally thousands of captains and FOs at all the airlines that are 100% happy with narrow body so the camp in those seats - much like the 59 year old FO's and RFOs at the tippy top of their bid category here at FedEx.
If I were original poster, the way the playing field is right now, you bet I'd be making the jump. I have United friends sitting widebody FO that are 50% in category and theyve been at United in about the time Raj started changing everything.
Now is the time some of our crew force opens their aperture to the current playing field vice how they remember it in the 90s and the lost decade.
What I'm getting at is there are literally thousands of captains and FOs at all the airlines that are 100% happy with narrow body so the camp in those seats - much like the 59 year old FO's and RFOs at the tippy top of their bid category here at FedEx.
If I were original poster, the way the playing field is right now, you bet I'd be making the jump. I have United friends sitting widebody FO that are 50% in category and theyve been at United in about the time Raj started changing everything.
Now is the time some of our crew force opens their aperture to the current playing field vice how they remember it in the 90s and the lost decade.
11-08-2023, 06:44 AM
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I was in Sydney about six months ago. A 737 was loading FedEx freight next to us. I don’t remember who it was. I asked the ramp agent where were they going. He said it flew between Auckland and Sydney during the week and our 777 that does HNL AKL SYD on the weekend to pick up the extra freight the 737 couldn’t carry.
Another case of contract flying done to build up a route.
Another case of contract flying done to build up a route.
11-08-2023, 06:54 AM
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11-08-2023, 08:30 AM
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So never flown a redeye, gotten up at 3-4am for a morning launch? Come back at the end of your career and tell us what a genius you thought you were.
11-08-2023, 09:49 AM
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Typical post by Stan.
I had the luxury of getting hired into ANC11 and doing long haul, long layovers, and not exclusively night flying (The commute to/from ANC blew). With the base closure, hiring frozen, and the overmanning, I decided to jump ship. The writing was on the wall. I was going to be sitting in the right seat at 95-97% on the 75/76/Bus doing night hub turns or staring at a Memphis crash pad ceiling for the next 6 years minimum...probably more like 10. Add this to the "FedEx doesn't have PBS!!!!" comments, I'd getting my schedule 5 days prior to each bid month. I have 30+ years to go. It took me a while to come to peace with the decision to jump over to the PAX world (I had 2x Legacy CJOs when I got the FedEx CJO) and the 3,000 numbers I lost by not going there originally. I'm okay with that now.
Again, referencing the above post...It has been medically proven that keeping a regular body clock/circadian rhythm and predictable sleep schedule is invaluable to your long term health. "Come back at the end of your career and tell us...blah blah blah". If you can drive to work and/or have a short commute and work 95% days/early nights you'll most likely enjoy your career earnings for years more than you would have as a FedEx retiree. So what if you made an extra $1-2M at FedEx...can't spend it if you're dead.
11-08-2023, 10:07 AM
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Oh, the ol' "FedEx has a pension, wide bodies, and vacation and never furloughs" rebuttal. While the things you say are not incorrect (I'll throw you that bone) we can't keep making these one-sided comparisons. It would be fair to chalk up some positives other carriers have too. And this is where the peanut gallery chimes in with "furloughs aren't a positive to me, LOL".
What I'm getting at is there are literally thousands of captains and FOs at all the airlines that are 100% happy with narrow body so the camp in those seats - much like the 59 year old FO's and RFOs at the tippy top of their bid category here at FedEx.
If I were original poster, the way the playing field is right now, you bet I'd be making the jump. I have United friends sitting widebody FO that are 50% in category and theyve been at United in about the time Raj started changing everything.
Now is the time some of our crew force opens their aperture to the current playing field vice how they remember it in the 90s and the lost decade.
What I'm getting at is there are literally thousands of captains and FOs at all the airlines that are 100% happy with narrow body so the camp in those seats - much like the 59 year old FO's and RFOs at the tippy top of their bid category here at FedEx.
If I were original poster, the way the playing field is right now, you bet I'd be making the jump. I have United friends sitting widebody FO that are 50% in category and theyve been at United in about the time Raj started changing everything.
Now is the time some of our crew force opens their aperture to the current playing field vice how they remember it in the 90s and the lost decade.
Considering Raj started these initiatives about a year ago, I find it hard to believe that someone hired in the last year at UAL is already at 50% or better seniority in a wide body seat. I’d like to see proof of this from their seniority list.
I offered some of the items that I would consider. You obviously think the OP should leave. So, what is keeping you around if you are a Fedex pilot?
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