Originally Posted by Thrust Hold

It sounds like the reduced hours will be sneak previewed in October.

November, December, and January are likely to be elevated by Peak flying.

Reducing hours across the board will lower the SAM.

Keeping MD's and taking new 777 & 767 will alleviate the the lopsided utilization of A/C throughout the network.

SAM will no longer be proped up by the 777 & MD-11 bidpacks alone.

There's likely fewer destinations domestically that require an MD-11 when you remove the USPS freight.

I could see a late Spring/early Summer intro to 4.a.2.b/c, but that depends on how agressive management gets with the system changes.

Originally Posted by DLax85

Is the SAM a "simple" average across fleets or a "weighted" average across fleets?

VR,
DLax

Originally Posted by Emmerson Bigs

Ok. If Flight Ops is going to turn a page and enter the 21st century with regards to frequency and size of equipment bids, then maybe they can shuffle the deck to the point that a furlough is possible at some future point. IMO a point very far into the future. However, we have heard from the VP of Flight Ops within the last week while standing in our Asia hub speaking to a group of pilots that our overmanning is at 250 pilots. We're going to see matching pilot attrition of at least 250 with scheduled and early retirements and LTD by the end of next year. Well before even an accelerated, unicorn bid scenario using Boeing to Boeing ops would create a furlough friendly evnvironment. You don't furlough a few hundred pilots when retirements will pretty much solve the problem. So again, IMO, if the company is planning to pursue a furlough and have decided the cost of that juice is worth the squeeze then something else is on the horizon we don't know about. That's certainly possible if they plan to keep everything static, seek no new business that requires purple tails and shrink to move only our current customer's freight on our own metal when it pays a proper profit. Time will tell.

Originally Posted by Class9

Don't want to see that future but it would not seem to be "at a point far in the future". Maybe you had to leave early but he mentioned three numbers as it relates to overmanning.
250 currently
500 more in Oct
150 more in Jan/post Peak
Pylot math = 900.
Hardly anyone leaves early under normal circumstances and now even more of us are sticking around for the chance of DB retirement increase. What you are relaying does not reflect what was actually communicated. Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like just "a few hundred pilots" overmanned.

Originally Posted by Moosefire

If they offered voluntary furloughs they'd be snapped up in an instant. Imagine the opportunity to jump to the big 3 in the spring and retain your FedEx number. They know those pilots lost probably won't come back. Don't want to risk it.

Originally Posted by Thrust Hold

I doubt the Big 3 would allow you to keep your FedEx seniority number. You would likely be asked to resign.

Originally Posted by Class9

Don't want to see that future but it would not seem to be "at a point far in the future". Maybe you had to leave early but he mentioned three numbers as it relates to overmanning.
250 currently
500 more in Oct
150 more in Jan/post Peak
Pylot math = 900.
Hardly anyone leaves early under normal circumstances and now even more of us are sticking around for the chance of DB retirement increase. What you are relaying does not reflect what was actually communicated. Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like just "a few hundred pilots" overmanned.