Any reason to stay at FedEx 40s or younger?
08-28-2024, 06:29 AM
#361
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Maybe we are only 250 overmanned now, but that doesn't include the loss of postal flying that will occure in October. If it did include that, they wouldn't be buying up lines in almost every fleet but the 777. I agree that a furlough is unlikely. However, look where the bottom 100 pilots on the seniority list are. Time will tell, but the pilots on the 777 haven't experienced the low credit hour lines that the other fleets have.
08-28-2024, 06:35 AM
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I think if any furloughs occur they will be solely as a negotiation tactic, and not reflective of business or operational realities.
08-28-2024, 07:05 AM
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I can see them using 4.a.2.b/c as a negotiation tactic and no real need for furloughs in that regard. Just keep the pilot group at reduced hours for the majority of next year and see how that impacts the votes when they finally reach another TA next year.
08-28-2024, 08:02 AM
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Ding Ding Ding! This. No doubt with Dietrich aboard Raj co. they will do this. Perfectly legal by the CBA and saves even more money for shareholders.
08-28-2024, 11:38 AM
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We will be seasonal employees going in and out of 4.a.2.c for the rest of our careers.
08-28-2024, 11:44 AM
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They can't go below the conctractual 68/85 minimum unless the SAM goes below 64 hours and we enter 4a2c. Then it also becomes more difficult for the company. This includes a bid to realign the crew force. There are also restrictions on the lowest paying line and highest paying lines amongst all bid packs. This would severely limit their current flexibilty in the 777. I don't think they are paying 25%-50% of the crew force hours they didn't work just to get us to accept a sub-par contract.
08-28-2024, 12:27 PM
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They can't go below the conctractual 68/85 minimum unless the SAM goes below 64 hours and we enter 4a2c. Then it also becomes more difficult for the company. This includes a bid to realign the crew force. There are also restrictions on the lowest paying line and highest paying lines amongst all bid packs. This would severely limit their current flexibilty in the 777. I don't think they are paying 25%-50% of the crew force hours they didn't work just to get us to accept a sub-par contract.
Does keeping the MD's around longer than planned help or hurt their flexibiity on the 777?
11 - 767 deliveries next year can replace all MD-11 domestic flying and take on some International burden.
2 - 777 deliveries add to the mix in 2025 as well.
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08-29-2024, 06:54 AM
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I'm well versed on those sections of the contract. Not sure which fleet you're on, but I'm pretty sure that nearly everyone on the 757, Airbus, and 767 is currently getting buyup pay ("hours they didn't work"). I've been getting bought up for the last year plus on the 757 and the amount of buyup has gotten larger every month. They can certainly spread those hours out amongst the fleets and move that SAM closer to the contractual parameters.
Does keeping the MD's around longer than planned help or hurt their flexibiity on the 777?
11 - 767 deliveries next year can replace all MD-11 domestic flying and take on some International burden.
2 - 777 deliveries add to the mix in 2025 as well.
Does keeping the MD's around longer than planned help or hurt their flexibiity on the 777?
11 - 767 deliveries next year can replace all MD-11 domestic flying and take on some International burden.
2 - 777 deliveries add to the mix in 2025 as well.
As far as buy up goes, it depends on your seat. In SEP, the MEM 75 FO seat had 57 lines that did not get a buy up. The MEM 76 CAP seat had 271 lines that did not get bought up. Those don't include secondary lines.
Moving hours from one bid pack to another will not change the SAM, it is a system average.
A 767 doesn't carry nearly the same amount of freight that an MD-11 carries. So no, I don't think that 11 767 deliveries can take over all of the MD-11 domestice flying plus some of their international flying. Do you think the company puts an MD-11 on a route that a 767 could fly just for kicks? Delivery of 2 777's can take over for 2 MD-11's.
08-29-2024, 08:32 AM
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It sounds like the reduced hours will be sneak previewed in October.
November, December, and January are likely to be elevated by Peak flying.
Reducing hours across the board will lower the SAM.
Keeping MD's and taking new 777 & 767 will alleviate the the lopsided utilization of A/C throughout the network.
SAM will no longer be proped up by the 777 & MD-11 bidpacks alone.
There's likely fewer destinations domestically that require an MD-11 when you remove the USPS freight.
I could see a late Spring/early Summer intro to 4.a.2.b/c, but that depends on how agressive management gets with the system changes.
November, December, and January are likely to be elevated by Peak flying.
Reducing hours across the board will lower the SAM.
Keeping MD's and taking new 777 & 767 will alleviate the the lopsided utilization of A/C throughout the network.
SAM will no longer be proped up by the 777 & MD-11 bidpacks alone.
There's likely fewer destinations domestically that require an MD-11 when you remove the USPS freight.
I could see a late Spring/early Summer intro to 4.a.2.b/c, but that depends on how agressive management gets with the system changes.
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