Emmerson Bigs

I'm just reporting. Can't read into it beyond what PD said. If he and Justin don't compare notes, then none of this info is worth much. As poorly as this operation is being run, I don't place much stock in one execs opinion over another. But PD's info is the most recent. When Brownlee was quoated we weren't asking MD pilots to drop their 23-01 bid and delaying MD trips to the boneyard. So, in reality, who knows?

Smoked

True. Sometimes it seems like they just enjoy feeding the FreightWaves propaganda machine.

Nordhavn

Ho's gonna be Ho's

C17B74

To be clear, I never said they were in trouble. Trimming the fat, streamlining operations, trying to delete a pension perhaps or whatever is on their mind and obviously and making changes to adjust for future business that may be more profitable was my point. The age old statement Business is War whether external, internal or both has landed heavily without regard to those who make the sausage. Definitely not what it was and morphing into something not so comfortable at this time. I was just spitballing that beyond our current line of sight whether you are feeling the turmoil from within or watching from the outside there could be something beyond our pay scales limited vision. Cost-cutting is business, adopting a new strategy to corner the market in significant areas once the battle field has been prepared may bode well in the future which we all hope for and may Purple pilots attain the gains you wish for. So, once again just spitballing that things may be more clear in a couple of years - hopefully less and may all that work there be rewarded.

acecrackshot

Probably closer to 75 fat if they waived the USERRA limits.

Temocil27

I’m worried about the new Boeing to Boeing program they cooked up regarding furloughs. They could easily start posting smaller bids and more efficiently transition FOs between the Boeings while just keeping the Bus and MD FOs where they are by limiting the training slots for the full ITU to 0 a month. I hate to say it, but I do see a future where we furlough.

ExHerk

Exactly. Without offering early retirements or increases to mil leave time, all of this talk of being overmanned is hot air.

Emmerson Bigs

Ok. If Flight Ops is going to turn a page and enter the 21st century with regards to frequency and size of equipment bids, then maybe they can shuffle the deck to the point that a furlough is possible at some future point. IMO a point very far into the future. However, we have heard from the VP of Flight Ops within the last week while standing in our Asia hub speaking to a group of pilots that our overmanning is at 250 pilots. We're going to see matching pilot attrition of at least 250 with scheduled and early retirements and LTD by the end of next year. Well before even an accelerated, unicorn bid scenario using Boeing to Boeing ops would create a furlough friendly evnvironment. You don't furlough a few hundred pilots when retirements will pretty much solve the problem. So again, IMO, if the company is planning to pursue a furlough and have decided the cost of that juice is worth the squeeze then something else is on the horizon we don't know about. That's certainly possible if they plan to keep everything static, seek no new business that requires purple tails and shrink to move only our current customer's freight on our own metal when it pays a proper profit. Time will tell.

JustInFacts

Maybe we are only 250 overmanned now, but that doesn't include the loss of postal flying that will occure in October. If it did include that, they wouldn't be buying up lines in almost every fleet but the 777. I agree that a furlough is unlikely. However, look where the bottom 100 pilots on the seniority list are. Time will tell, but the pilots on the 777 haven't experienced the low credit hour lines that the other fleets have.

BlueMoon

Why would they? This is the company utilizing their leverage to make this more painful on us. Wish we’d use some of ours.