BertMacklinFBI

hear, hear! 🤪

threeighteen

No, and we traded away the little passover pay opportunities we had for the illusion of being able to bid for training slots in 2015…. Saved the company billions by preventing them from having to expand the training building and department.

plzdontfireme

But now it's costing them a few million because they can't furlough or even 4a2c us easily. But still a huge net savings for sure.

SpoilerAlert

Absolutely none. Know of bros awarded a 777 capt slot and have been waiting for training for THREE years. Worst part is, they have another bid and if someone senior to them gets awarded it, they go ahead of them. So, when’s the next solar eclipse?

I know of FO’s who were awarded 777FO, only to watch new hires get put in front of them, some waiting 2 years for training and losing out on hundreds of thousands. The company’s logic? “You’re already in a widebody seat and we don’t want to do 2 training events”. Didn’t get trained until a grievance was finally settled. Unacceptable.

Majors have conversion dates, 150 days and you get paid your hourly. Holds the company to actual training dates.

I heard the ideas for a new contract are somewhere in the 6-9bil range. I believe it, with the shortfalls in reserve/training/QOL compared to Legacy contracts, I do believe it would take that much to catch up to now industry standard. “But pension!!!!”

MaxRange

Thats hilarious!

And don't expect that to change on TA 1.1 or Contract 2030+ either. There has been far too much Pancake batter poured into the pot, and "negotiating capital" spent on other concessionary items.

max8222

But my QOL and my pink pony BAHAHA!

zmoney

I agree with most of what you said except what I quoted above. From what I can tell, the company finishes one letter before moving onto the next. In other words, if awarded MEM77C on bid 21-01, you’ll have an opportunity to go to training before anyone awarded MEM77C on a future bid. Actually, I think barring some sort of unusual circumstance, you’ll have to go before them.

That said, I agreed with most of your post. It has taken some unacceptably long and the company should have trained both new hires and current pilots from the get go. Just training new hires was a foul.

Nightflyer

We allowed that to happen in the 2015 language because people wanted more control over their training dates, and we gave up passover pay. The company saved MILLIONS of dollars with that concession, and we really didn't gain very much control over training dates. On the other hand, it would be very difficult to furlough right now, due to the number of new hires in wide body seats and the fact that they have to furlough in reverse seniority order.

Contract 2015 was an abysmal failure, largely due to this provision, and others.

Of course, in answer to the OP's question, there is absolutely no reason to stay at FedEx if you are under 40 unless you love living in Memphis, and really don't want to live anywhere better. (And everywhere is probably better.)

The powers in charge are destroying our brand, and it is sad to see it happen.

Anomjnom12

I remember learning more and more about the contract here and thinking….wow I was duped. I’d talk to my friends at legacies (before their new contracts) and their contracts sounded light years ahead of FedEx’s.

then I learned how weak the union was, how toxic management is, and how the pilot group folds easily. it’s been this way for a while, you just weren’t allowed to say it before due to all the purple kool aide being put in the coolers on the planes. something’s gotta convince you killing yourself at 3am is worth it.

anyways, no, no protections while you wait YEARS to get trained on a seat you held on a previous bid. complete joke.

Idaho

I came here just to get away from the last place I worked. It was deteriorating and poeple hated the company. I would have gone to Jet Blue or Southwest or anywhere just to get out. Pre flu outbreak I was doing ok and things looked salvegeable as long as I worked to over 60 and didnt change my lifestyle. No toys for me! Now, not good, QOL in the toilet, moral in the toilet, and compensation is laughable due to inflation and rising industry standard. And to top it off a populist uprising in this country to destroy the upper middle class, who have been highly productive and disciplined all of their lives. Friends hate me becaue they think I have more or make. On the other hand, this is right where management (and traitors among us) want us.