opas76

I agree. AM hub turns takes years off your life. I show my schedule to friends at United, Delta and they say “no thanks.” It’s not for everyone.

threeighteen

Even the long duty days associated with day flying will suck the life out of you compared to an RJ schedule.

Anthrax

Its not for everyone … except those willing to take years off of their lives, science has proven this time and again. I’m as guilty as the next guy. I fly this crap also, and by night three I am a freaking mess. so i use vacation. and sick. and I stay as healthy as possible. there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and we all strive for this, but many of our pilots never make it there. how many have we lost this year alone before collecting a single retirement check? Too many!! How many checks on average do our retirees collect? Not as many as one may think. and the optimization continues, the coveted lines shrinking.

The point is … freaking PAY us for this sacrifice, one that our managers rarely face, nor union leaders, who, when selling the failed TA, couldn’t make a single night hub turn. Look, they are smart, they know the negative health implications of staying up past midnight, and we’re the dummies eating popcorn and laughing about how great we have it.

Thankfully, we have enough pilots demanding better for us and our families. and for all the clowns out there saying we have it easier than our peers at the passenger carriers, and that we should make less, come on out and fly around the world for a few months, come do three months of night hub turns, and then and only then should we listen! otherwise, shut ur face!!

Peace.

opas76

Amen!!! filler

threeighteen

yeah bro but our vacation is awesome we don't have PBS [clownemoji]

JustInFacts

UPS CEO sells investors on new labor contract as company sees stock slide ahead of holiday peak

Wait, I thought the UPS Teamsters won. Now UPS says the contract really isn't worth what the union touted! I thought only Fedex did that.

MoosePileit

Your finance play is even worse than your average post.

Check the stock price reaction to this poor, "delivery". She and hers drove off normal bread and butter contracted-rate customers during Covid going overboard with "better, not bigger". Time to pay that piper, now bigger news than the Teamsters contract. If they mishandle this swing, look out below. She's not even telling half the story and "the Street" knows it.

Viper25

As an outsider looking in and talking to many FedEx guys, I hear this argument a lot. The schedules are tougher, so higher compensation is due. However, with regards to the article being referenced, I have also heard from many FedEx pilots that they “couldn’t pay me enough to ever fly a passenger again.” Many statements about never ever wanting to deal with the (perceived) hassle of passengers, flight attendants, airports, etc. Genuinely not trying to troll or start anything, but: how do you reconcile this? I understand the schedules suck, but according to many cargo pilots, flying pax is awful and sucks too and many say they’d never do it. Should pax guys be compensated at a premium for that?

Anthrax

I’m not saying we are better. I’m saying don’t tell us we deserve any less than the bags of donuts flying around bigger bags of donuts. I’m saying that science (not Fauci) has proven the negative effects of third shift work. For instance, for every night you are up past sunrise, it takes the body ten days to reestablish homeostasis; most notably, white blood cell count plummets, as well as other markers. I don’t know what the mortality rate is for all the bags of donuts flying donuts, but ours is really bad. the company won’t share the data, nor the union, but when I was a union dude doing union work, I saw a memo on this, and it’s abhorrent.

Pay us. Pay you.

peace out.

NotMrNiceGuy

There are 5500 opinions here. The ones you mention are often by folks that haven’t flown passengers. Having flown pax for a decade, I had three negative interactions that I can think of. And the worst involved a couple swear words that was over in less than a minute.

Besides, most airlines have the equivalent of Red Coats at Delta. Employees that are specifically trained to deal with passenger disturbances. More than ever, the pilots’ focus is the airplane. Not the passengers.

But any argument to get paid a premium should be considered IMO.